Big try at gravity wheel

[MarkE]

The system described by Travis just does not work.

It has done a wonderful job of separating money from investors.

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<LibreEnergia> The system described by Travis just does not work.<LibreEnergia>
and all others that keep on quoting basic physics, 

To repeat the conservation laws over and over and stay nicely in the mainstream by keeping to the general semantics is not helping here at all.  I have no problem with all your statements since they are describing a symmetrical and linear system, by falling back on those well known basics, you are evading the crucial point around which the whole debate is focused.
A non-linear piston that creates a asymmetry. 

Forget about a moment about overunity.
Have a close looks at this asymmetry, why is it asymmetric ?
What is the cost of the asymmetry and what measures has Wayne employed to reduce that cost.

I know what your reaction is going to be,  explain it to me in detail (creating a lot of work for me) so we can keep on shooting it down with traditional symmetry without trying to look deeper into the concept.   
With an open mind you would be unbiased and assume a 50/50 position on the same concept until it has been dismantled from the ground up.  You possibly could improve on the concept strategy.
You may do something productive now or carry on ranting about basic physics and Archimedes
It depends on where you want to go in the universe

In General: Does anybody here have a framework that could lead to OU ?
OU is not possible in the framework of symmetrical physics, how could you tamper with the standard framework to achieve asymmetry, a requirement for OU. 
A model like that would put the search in the right direction for possible positive results.  Wouldn't it ?

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[LibreEnergia]

A non-linear piston that creates a asymmetry. 

Sorry, I won't mince words here... absolute bullshit.  I don't care if you describe  it is as 'asymmetrical' or 'non linear' or 'some-what like pink unicorns'.

You must show in clear and unambiguous terms how the integral of force with respect to distance (that's work to you and me) is different on the up down stroke and just WHERE in the cycle this so called 'asymmetry' occurs.  There is no point in analysing just a small part of the cycle and claiming See!.. there is excess here.

You must analyse the whole cycle and show how and where it produces NET output.

Don't tell me to read the ZED thread and the answer will somehow magically descend on me... It won't. All I can see is poor thinking and erroneous conclusions.

Wayne Travis, in his heart of hearts knows this thing doesn't work,  but is now far too deeply into it to admit it.





Forget about a moment about overunity.
Have a close looks at this asymmetry, why is it asymmetric ?
What is the cost of the asymmetry and what measures has Wayne employed to reduce that cost.

I know what your reaction is going to be,  explain it to me in detail (creating a lot of work for me) so we can keep on shooting it down with traditional symmetry without trying to look deeper into the concept.   
With an open mind you would be unbiased and assume a 50/50 position on the same concept until it has been dismantled from the ground up.
You may do something productive now or carry on ranting about basic physics and Archimedes
It depends on where you want to go in the universe

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[Red_Sunset]

Sorry, I won't mince words here... absolute bullshit.  ........................ 'some-what like pink unicorns'.
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Those Pink Unicorns bring back memories of ~2 years ago, where has the time gone.
>>  The times of Wayne thread in its last stages towards the abyss (in its dead-throws)

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Sorry, I won't mince words here... absolute bullshit.  I don't care if you describe  it is as 'asymmetrical' or 'non linear' or 'some-what like pink unicorns'.
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EnergyLibre
Thanks for your advice:  then there is no point in wasting my breath on "bull...."
One chip down, a few more chips to go!
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