Big try at gravity wheel

[Red_Sunset]

Why not just measure the energy in the purported magic energy machine?  Only three outcomes are possible:  More is measured going in than comes out, or the same amount is measured going in as coming out, or less is measured going in than coming out. 

MarkE & All,
Quite right, that is a test you can do later on, once you have created your theoretical model or physical replica.
At that point we can also argue about the correct test procedures, how it is measured, the tolerances....ect.

But we are not that far as yet,  because what is the point to build one when you can not represent your output gain  expectations in theoretical format.  This makes building a quite risky and therefore expensive endeavor.

The 3 point format proposed to LibreEnergia is the best logical way to proceed, including sub steps

RE: Post #868
A CALL to put your money where your mouth is, I am calling your bluff !

My objective is to prove to ALL SKEPTICS who have represented themselves on this forum , to eat their words. (at least that is the intent)

So in order to proceed, I need the acknowledgement of all skeptic members listed below, for all line items shown.
A "yes" or "no" or "don't know" or "impossible" or "maybe" are all valid answers. 
We have 6 days remaining because by that time I will be at the bottom of Africa with only intermittent internet access

Mandatory detailed response needed from
1., MarkE   
2.. TinselKoala   
3..  Mile High
4..  PowerCat
5..  EnergiaLibre
6..  Fletcher
and anybody who wants to participate is welcome to do so.

Proxy assignment is allowed, but must be declared.
Any disagreement on any point in any step will be clarified  before we move to the next step

Red_Sunset

[MarkE]

MarkE & All,
Quite right, that is a test you can do later on, once you have created your theoretical model or physical replica.
At that point we can also argue about the correct test procedures, how it is measured, the tolerances....ect.

But we are not that far as yet,  because what is the point to build one when you can not represent your output gain  expectations in theoretical format.  This makes building a quite risky and therefore expensive endeavor.

The 3 point format proposed to LibreEnergia is the best logical way to proceed, including sub steps

My objective is to prove to ALL SKEPTICS who have represented themselves on this forum , to eat their words. (at least that is the intent)

So in order to proceed, I need the acknowledgement of all skeptic members listed below, for all line items shown.
A "yes" or "no" or "don't know" or "impossible" or "maybe" are all valid answers. 
We have 6 days remaining because by that time I will be at the bottom of Africa with only intermittent internet access

Mandatory detailed response needed from
1., MarkE   
2.. TinselKoala   
3..  Mile High
4..  PowerCat
5..  EnergiaLibre
6..  Fletcher
and anybody who wants to participate is welcome to do so.

Any disagreement on any point in any step will be clarified  before we move to the next step

Red_Sunset

The burden of proof falls on those making extraordinary claims.  You are free to back your extraordinary claims of excess energy by offering commensurate evidence instead of the hand waving offered to date.  If you want skeptics to eat their words, provide proof.  You never do.  Wayne never does. No one at or supporting HER ever has.  The ball has been in your court for a long, long time now.

[Red_Sunset]

The burden of proof falls on those making extraordinary claims.  You are free to back your extraordinary claims of excess energy by offering commensurate evidence instead of the hand waving offered to date.  If you want skeptics to eat their words, provide proof.  You never do.  Wayne never does. No one at or supporting HER ever has.  The ball has been in your court for a long, long time now.

MarkE,

YOU CLEARLY DO NOT WANT ANY PROOF in ANY FORM or SHAPE. 
I do understand you do not like to be proven wrong, because you know you would be !
Not participating will disallow you to provide input "for or against"
You can always opt out at any step if you so choose, otherwise
no problem ,.... bye ..bye

Red_Sunset

[minnie]

   Sunset,
           now you're just coming across as a complete *****.
                        John.

[Red_Sunset]

   Sunset,
           now you're just coming across as a complete *****.
                        John.

Hi John,

Just trying out different approaches, lets see where it leads.
I thought peace meal bits will be best, and build on principles agreed upon.

Red_Sunset