Has anyone seen Lasersabers new motor runs on 1000uf cap

[Farmhand]

I think its balony. Your 2 cents is worth just that. 2 cents. It can be seen in a circuit, in a sim, and in documents.

From the pdf uploaded below...


"A slowly decaying magnetic flux (the slowest is experienced with a simplediode shunt across the coil)"   


By using the diode across the coil, the magnetic field of the coil is maintained the longest. As you add loads in between or in line with the coil and diode, the magnetic field decreases much faster.

This is about making motors. If by using the diode across the coil the magnetic field is maintained longer than with just the on time of the switch, this is where we can reduce the on time of the switch and still get the same amount of push on the rotor using less input.
And thats the truth.

Mags

If that's your opinion Mags then that is your opinion. I'm not going to ignore the results I see with my own eyes from controlled experiments. I take it you don't believe the scope shots. It's a shame. But so be it. I don't require your belief or approval. I say what I see. And I provided the scope shots. As i said I urge people to do the tests and show the results as I did. And be prepared to show it on video as I am. I have no issue with it because i know I can do again anytime.

You are entitled to your opinion. And your right to give it. But I think you are wrong that's my opinion. I see no pint to arguing until there is other tests done by able people with
no bias and prepared to show the results.

If you remember I did not think I would get the result I got either but I did, and I double and tripple checked, the result is posted above. If people don't take me seriously then I'll stop being serious. And play games. I prefer to remain serious about the truth. But if there is no point why bother.

Cheers

P.S. No problem Gyula, I just don't understand why all this has not already been put to rest. The more experiments I do and the more I learn the more I see people say things that don't agree with my experimental results.

2nD P.S. Mags, actually I'm withdrawing my offer of showing it on video. Take it or leave it, I care not which.

Since my 2 cents is only worth 2 cents, I'll give my 20 cents worth or 2 bobs worth as we say here. In my opinion Laser Sabre isn't too interested in telling or showing too much I think his main focus it to show things that cause hype and not much else.

Why not just ask him if it is OU and/or does he think it can be OU ? I did once about all of devices and he said no none were OU. Seems easy enough, just ask him.


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[Magluvin]

If that's your opinion Mags then that is your opinion. I'm not going to ignore the results I see with my own eyes from controlled experiments. I take it you don't believe the scope shots. It's a shame. But so be it. I don't require your belief or approval. I say what I see. And I provided the scope shots. As i said I urge people to do the tests and show the results as I did. And be prepared to show it on video as I am. I have no issue with it because i know I can do again anytime.

You are entitled to your opinion. And your right to give it. But I think you are wrong that's my opinion. I see no pint to arguing until there is other tests done by able people with
no bias and prepared to show the results.

If you remember I did not think I would get the result I got either but I did, and I double and tripple checked, the result is posted above. If people don't take me seriously then I'll stop being serious. And play games. I prefer to remain serious about the truth. But if there is no point why bother.

Cheers

P.S. No problem Gyula, I just don't understand why all this has not already been put to rest. The more experiments I do and the more I learn the more I see people say things that don't agree with my experimental results.

2nD P.S. Mags, actually I'm withdrawing my offer of showing it on video. Take it or leave it, I care not which.

Since my 2 cents is only worth 2 cents, I'll give my 20 cents worth or 2 bobs worth as we say here. In my opinion Laser Sabre isn't too interested in telling or showing too much I think his main focus it to show things that cause hype and not much else.

Why not just ask him if it is OU and/or does he think it can be OU ? I did once about all of devices and he said no none were OU. Seems easy enough, just ask him.


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"2nD P.S. Mags, actually I'm withdrawing my offer of showing it on video. Take it or leave it, I care not which."   

"If that's your opinion Mags then that is your opinion."

No those are my facts. Tyco is a HUGE company. How about you call them and tell them that it is only their opinion.

And here is a circuit below that can make the magnetic field last even longer using an SPDT reed switch. When the input is switched off, the diode takes over till the reed is switched to the Normally Closed NC position cutting the diode out of the snub loop.

Mags

[Magluvin]

What is the motor supposed to do ? It looks like it does nothing. And LaserSabre is a practical joker, even though I don't see the point to it, the way I see it it could be a joke, I don't take his stuff seriously because all he wants to do is impress people with implied OU that is nothing more than micro power devices. I don't see the point to the thing. Anyone who sets out with the objective of making something spin for no reason is a bit off the mark in my opinion.

I asked him if any of his devices produced excess energy and he said no, none did.

My question is what is the point to the device and what can it do that is practical ?

I don't see how it has anything to do with Tesla. He should also say what it is that makes it have anything to do with Tesla.

Maybe it is a demonstration of what a 3D printer can do, in that regard is isn't all that impressive.

In my opinion this is exactly what is wrong with the free energy movement, generally speaking.

The device is pointless. It will stop. It proves nothing.

Cheers

Here we have Farmhands 'first' post in this thread. Cutting down what Laser has shown at a point where nobody really knows nothing much about it yet. Thats an 'opinion' completely depleted of substance if I ever saw one. Whats the beef?  Are you worried it may take away attention from your motor thread? Whats so special about yours?

Then you say in your latest post....

"In my opinion Laser Sabre isn't too interested in telling or showing too much I think his main focus it to show things that cause hype and not much else."

Well you just keep on working on 'your' project in your thread(of which you seem to have a strange way of keeping fellowship, if one reads it they will understand) then and stop posting continuous negativity toward others and their ideas.

Mags

[Magluvin]

Why not just ask him if it is OU and/or does he think it can be OU ? I did once about all of devices and he said no none were OU. Seems easy enough, just ask him.


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The only one here in this thread talking about OU is you.    Were talking about efficiency near its best. Lets see you run your motor for any period of time from a dead stop with a 10uf cap. Charge the cap to what ever voltage you wish. Lets see it.

Mags

[Billxx]

I did some scope shots over a 10 Ohm shunt to calculate average power draw of my little pulse motor at 1 Volt supply Voltage (no diode, just the shunt, see circuit diagram in attached drawing). And a scope shot over the Reed switch to show its ON-time (between 20% and 30%, depending on Reed switch position and turning speed of the rotor). I have chosen a 1 Volt supply Voltage to make the rotor turn relatively slowly.

My Multimeter measurement of about 500 µA was confirmed.

Why does my pulse motor draw about 100 times more power than Lasersaber's six coil motor?

Is it the impedance of the coils?

Is it the mechanical set up (specially the crudeness of the build)?

It can not be the ON-time of the Reed switch, because it could not be made 100 times shorter!

Comments appreciated.

Remark: The rotor can not turn faster than a few 100 rpm because it is badly balanced. With a supply Voltage of about 6 Volt it jumps out of its bearing (terminal speed reached).

For further details and a photo see this post http://www.overunity.com/13523/has-anyone-seen-lasersabers-new-motor-runs-on-1000uf-cap/msg362615/#msg362615

Greetings, Conrad

conradelektro,

I believe the reason why (your motor requires more power) is the amount of energy needed to overcome the inertia. Your rotor with the magnets is larger in diameter, weighs more, etc. It's a matter of greater mass and weight, I would think would be the reason why your motor requires greater energy to turn vs LaserSaber's motor.

What if you were to make your rotor out of Balsa Wood structure capturing the magnets, held in place with super glue? And the diameter was the same as LaserSaber's? (Note: Cut out as much material from the rotor as possible without weakening it to make the rotor as light as possible)

To run an equivalent energy efficient device you'll need to match or improve on it's ability, no?

You have a cool motor and so does LaserSaber, I'm just inputting an observation from the peanut gallery because you asked for comments.

My sincere apologies for butting in on the discussions.