Rosemary Ainslie Circuit Demonstration, June 1 2013

[profitis]

@tk.was ainslies inductor ever submerged in water to boil it..

[TinselKoala]

@tk.was ainslies inductor ever submerged in water to boil it..

Well... you mean you can't tell from reading her scientific papers?

The answer is, as far as I can tell, no, not really.

You or I might do the experiment like this:

We would prepare a container that was fairly well insulated and could hold a known quantity of water. (Ainslie did this.)
We would arrange a thermocouple to monitor the temperature of the _water_. We might have one attached directly to some part of the load itself but the primary data would come from the _water temperature_ and we would want all the water to be at the same temp when we took a reading. We would immerse the load completely in the liquid. (Ainslie did NOT do this. In spite of the claim in the paper, she now tells us that they never monitored the water temperature, only some unknown combo of the load and water. Actually it was the load that they monitored, because the thermocouple is "over" as she puts it, or "attached to" as I put it, the load.)
We would then carefully record the settings used and we would make a time-temperature plot of the insulated container's water temperature, at a constant setting of the apparatus, as the water warmed up. (Ainslie did not do this.)
We would know what "steam" is, we would understand that water can't exist as liquid at 104 degrees C, etc etc and we wouldn't claim to have "brought water to boil 700 mL" unless the water was actually boiling.
Right? Some details might change but that is the way in general that the problem would be approached by someone interested in determining energy balances.

I have linked several times to the blog posts where she describes her actual procedure. Compare, contrast, discuss.

The graph below is from my work in 2009 with the Quantum magazine single-mosfet circuit, and is the temperature of the water in a small double insulated calorimeter containing a fully submerged Ainslie load. I was the first person actually to credibly demonstrate boiling water... actually boiling it.... with this circuit, but not by using Ainslie's claimed duty cycle.

[TinselKoala]

I think you make some good points TK
lets see if they can do another demo with Mr Weir's help and address them
It not a matter of who was right or wrong in the past its what is the status of the methodology and data that is generated today.
Mark

It is indeed a matter of _what_ was wrong in the past. Not who..... 
Anyone who has published or attempted to publish _known false data_ should be treated the same way: with demands for retraction, correction and apology. It was rather definitely proven yesterday that her data concerning the Figure 3 scopeshot is false, for whatever reason. If she wants to repeat the original experiment _properly_ that is all well and good, let her go for it. But before that happens, the old, bad data has got to be removed. Out with the bad, as soon as it is recognized to be bad, before you can come in with the new.
When she does repeat the experiment properly.... there will be nothing to publish, because there is no special effect, as many people have already proven who _have_ done the experiments properly.

Ainslie has been pushing those mendacious and error-filled manuscripts for over two years, has posted them all over the internet, has made her various claims and is even claiming that they have been peer-reviewed (due to the IEEE submissions and the Rossi JNP postings.) However this demo yesterday and the hard work of .99 and others is really the only peer review that the manuscripts and claims have had -- and I for one reject them.

[profitis]

@tk ok but what we will NOT do is submerge any inductor section into water,oil,or any calorometer.if ainslies 'load' includes the inductor core then we have a potential problem.the load must be seperate from inductor to properly work any circuit(well at least to register excess heat in a calormeter)the ideal circuit will suck in environmental heat through the core and spit it back out through a well seperated load(the load resistor to be dunked in the calormeter,ie.to do work for us)   

[TinselKoala]

@tk ok but what we will NOT do is submerge any inductor section into water,oil,or any calorometer.if ainslies 'load' includes the inductor core then we have a potential problem.the load must be seperate from inductor to properly work any circuit(well at least to register excess heat in a calormeter)the ideal circuit will suck in environmental heat through the core and spit it back out through a well seperated load(the load resistor to be dunked in the calormeter,ie.to do work for us)

Then you are talking about a different experiment altogether. Please feel free to open your own thread, build and test your own apparatus, whatever. What is going on here is something completely different and you are not contributing anything helpful.
You are even local to Ainslie, as I understand it. So get with her, help her improve her apparatus if that is what you think is useful. Where were you yesterday?

Never mind, I don't really want to know.