Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.

[skycollection]

Ok, i have two news.....one bad and one good
1.- the bad news is that the circuit SELFRUNNING with capacitor IT DOESN´T WORK...i used a capacitor of 52,000 uf 30 volts, and i only see that the current charge 13.4 volts and when i disconnect the run battery, the rotor stop...!
2.- I am in a BLACK HOLE, but now, this morning, I LEARN MORE....! the good news is that i KNOW FOR FIRST TIME HOW IT WORKS THE BACK EMF and now i am charging one battery with very good results...! THE FLAT RODIN COIL is good, and the rotor works very fast, 14,000 rpm AND THIS IS AMAZING TO CHARGE A BATTERY...!


SALUDOS
JORGE

[conradelektro]

Ok, i have two news.....one bad and one good
1.- the bad news is that the circuit SELFRUNNING with capacitor IT DOESN´T WORK...i used a capacitor of 52,000 uf 30 volts, and i only see that the current charge 13.4 volts and when i disconnect the run battery, the rotor stop...!
2.- I am in a BLACK HOLE, but now, this morning, I LEARN MORE....! the good news is that i KNOW FOR FIRST TIME HOW IT WORKS THE BACK EMF and now i am charging one battery with very good results...! THE FLAT RODIN COIL is good, and the rotor works very fast, 14,000 rpm AND THIS IS AMAZING TO CHARGE A BATTERY...!


SALUDOS
JORGE

Hi Jorge,

Ad 1.) It was important that you did the experiment with the large electrolytic capacitor parallel to the run battery. All people who claim OU could have done a similar experiment in order to see that their contraption in fact consumes energy (instead of producing more than is put in). So, whenever you think you get more out than you put in, you can try to run the thing with a capacitor and you will quickly see what is really happening. I did this experiment several times and it taught me a lot.

Ad 2.) It is possible to charge an "external capacitor" or an "external battery" ("external" means, it is not the supply source) to a very high Voltage and it is intriguing. But I measured just recently that charging the external cap" or "external battery" needs energy (the circuit uses more energy from the supply source whenever something is charged). The energy put into the "external cap" or "external battery" always comes from the supply source and is always less than is supplied, although the possible high Voltag is astonishing. One can charge an external cap to several hundred Volts if the drive coil is driven with 10 to 20 Watt at 12 Volt.

See at http://www.overunity.com/13523/has-anyone-seen-lasersabers-new-motor-runs-on-1000uf-cap/msg363634/#msg363634

Also this test might be interesting for you:
http://www.overunity.com/13523/has-anyone-seen-lasersabers-new-motor-runs-on-1000uf-cap/msg363629/#msg363629

General remark:

Your magnet bearings and your various coils are very beautiful and well fabricated. And I guess it is fun to experiment with them. But one should be very careful to claim OU. The power supplied to your circuits is quite easy to measure (with an Ampere-Meter) because it is direct current. But it is very diffcult to measure the output accurately because it is "pulses". So, many people think they get more out than they put in. Also "light" is not a good method for measuring the output. The human eye sees something as "bright" even at less than peak light output. So, a 20 Watt lamp or LED might seem to be brightly lit at 5 Watt.

I also think that it is good to share the tests and set ups with others because there are most likely people who have done it before and they can give you good advice. It is almost sure that you will not give away a secret worth keeping, but you loose a lot of time without the knowledge of others.

I have nothing against trying the impossible, but secrecy will not help you, it will cause you loss of time and many false avenues which you will follow for nothing, because it is already known that it does not work.

Greetings, Conrad

[synchro1]

Qoute from Tinsel Koala on the self loop toroid:



"Now that is interesting. With the toroidal winding you should not be getting very much magnetic flux leakage, but you can be driving the core into and out of saturation, and also getting some additional augmentation from the field of the rotating sphere magnet.
In other words, you might have a core-effect pulse motor, self-triggering, with the internal spherical magnet as its rotor. It's like a Steorn Orbo core-effect pulse motor, only much better!

If, that is, I am right about it running from the core effect rather than flux leakage from the toroid acting as an electromagnet. "


"At a certain threshold of angular velocity, the magnetic vortex sets up an inter-dimensional energy portal through a vortex resonance".


Explanation of Faraday's Homopolar generator!


The spinning magnet sphere gains weight as it accelerates. The centripital forces are massive. Quantum equalization may release electrical current from the atomic structure of the neodydmium elements in the spinning magnet sphere, and account for the increase in source power from 11.35 to 11.37 volts in the last part of this self loop video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEtnFn6TAzs

[MileHigh]

Conrad:

http://www.overunity.com/13551/magnet-coil-cores-demagnetization-power-and-lenz-delay/msg363833/#msg363833

When I look at your schematic in reply #14, I see the following:

When the IRF510 MOSFET switches off, the coil discharges current out the bottom of the coil, then it flows through the one branch of the rectifier, then it flows through the red diode, and then it flows back into the top of the coil.  That is the current loop that occurs when the coil discharges.

MileHigh

[conradelektro]

Conrad:

http://www.overunity.com/13551/magnet-coil-cores-demagnetization-power-and-lenz-delay/msg363833/#msg363833

When I look at your schematic in reply #14, I see the following:

When the IRF510 MOSFET switches off, the coil discharges current out the bottom of the coil, then it flows through the one branch of the rectifier, then it flows through the red diode, and then it flows back into the top of the coil.  That is the current loop that occurs when the coil discharges.

MileHigh

You might be right, there has to be a reason why feeding back the "self inductance of the coil" to the drive battery never works. Whenever I tried something along this line the result was "more current consumed from the drive battery" than without the "feedback attempt".

Also Reed switches instead of transistor-switching did not help. The "self inductance back kick" from the coil seems to be more pronounced with a Reed switch (at least at low power), but that also can not be fed back to the drive battery. I even doubt that the Ossi motor circuit really feeds back electricity to the drive battery.

But I am no expert, I just try to replicate some ideas I see in the OU forums. It's a hobby, not a serious attempt to build an OU machine. I do not claim anything with the circuits I show and discuss and very often I make an error. I also have no OU theory which I would defend.

If you have an idea how Jorge (Skycollection) can feed back electricity to the drive battery with his circuit, please tell us and him (by making corrections to his drive circuit). He will probably try it and I might try it with my contraptions.

Greetings, Conrad