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Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.

Started by synchro1, June 09, 2013, 11:07:49 AM

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synchro1

Two automatic push pull Op Amp levitator circuits with "Hall Effect" Gauss sensors on each core, perhaps controled by an Arduino program connected to motorised positioners or electro magnetic coils would put the finishing touch on this self propelled alternator. We have advanced builders contributing on this forum who could master this kind of project with their skills.

The other alternative would involve a solid state transformer version working on the same basic principles. A good topic for a new thread!

MarkE

Quote from: synchro1 on December 20, 2014, 12:31:13 PM
Magnetizem is a seperate and distinct force from electricity. You're trying to sound smart when you're really not.
Induced voltage is an electromagnetic phenomenon.

synchro1

Quote from: MarkE on December 22, 2014, 05:06:54 PM
Induced voltage is an electromagnetic phenomenon.

Water is not high pressure steam. Magnetizem and electricity are seperate forces like liquid and gas are seperate states of matter. Magnetisem has no effect on current in a wire. Magnetiizem needs a magnetic inductor to travel through like solid iron or steel just like electricity needs an electrical inductor. Copper's a good conductor of electricity but a poor conductor of magnetisem. The word electromagnetizem is practically meaningless on it's own without a reference to Ampere turns. Ampere turns of wire generate a magnetic field that is indistinguishable from a permanent magnet field. Permanent magnet fields are not  dependent on electricity. This is proof that magnetisem is not electricity as you falsely imply. Both you and Milehigh work very hard to confuse people about the distinct and totally seperate nature of these two individual forces. I threatened to ignore your comments because you persist in acting stupidly about this basic fact.

DLE only relates to the passage of magnetizem through a magnetic inductor and has nothing to do with the passage of electricity through an electrical conductor. stop confusing these differences or I will stop responding to your comments. Both you and Milehigh act like delinquent children and I'm sick of it.

dieter

Take it easy. It is not worth to get upset.


I think, after watching a lecture by a professor of an established university, explaining ferromagnetism, that science is only PRETENDING to know what is happening, just like they do with gravity. These things can be measured but they are not really understood.
I think, first of all we have to make a diffrence between static and dynamic magnetism. Can there be magnetism without electricity? Sure. Can there be electricity without magnetism? No. Which is confusing.


Second, magnetism by PMs and EMs is not the same. In PMs the vectors are fixed and may be forced to unnatural paths. In EMs the vectors are aligned at Runtime and they dynamicly choose the path of least resistance. Of course, I am talking about the Coil or Magnet, not the Air/Iron etc. medium.


So we may say, static magnetism is independent of electricity, but electricity is always causing dynamic magnetism. In that sense there is indeed a connection. A semidirectional link, if you want, which is interesting by its own.


Peace


dieter

A PM stresses the electrons in the coil immediately, or with the speed of light. But it takes some time for the coil to equilibriate internally. The distribution of stress depends highly on the geometry of coil and core. The PM may have passed by before it is affected by the fully equilibriated B field of the coil. For that it may have to stay away from the core, which is where the stress is initially concentrated. Well... I guess so  :) . However, one may consider this a delayed Lenz effect. Because the distribution of the PMs B-Field is not linear or homogenous. But the coils current flow wants to be so, but needs some time, as I said, to equilibriate the stress.


Peace