Dream about magnet motor - sketch included

[gauschor]

So I had a dream today about a magnet motor and thought I share it. It was about 2 U-shaped rings of about 15-20 cm diameter, containing magnets. The size was practical as you could hold in your hands for demonstration purpose. When squeezing the rings together the magnets in the lower ring accelerated infinitely and only decelerated when putting the rings apart. See image below for further details.

What you think about it?

(PS: maybe a subforum could be created with "dreams about overunity devices"? I've seen there were already 2-3 topics in this forum about such devices occuring in dreams, so maybe once we find something through "godly intention"  ).

[Low-Q]

Instead of a upper ring which rotates with 1-2mm/sec wouldn't it be more approperiate if the lower ring rotated at 20 000 RPM + 1-2mm/sec?
I cannot se why the upper ring must rotate at all.


Vidar

[gauschor]

I think the reason the upper ring must rotate is that the magnetic hills of the "stator" always need change their position - minimally and with minimal input. Usually a fixed stator with magnets never works.

Thought experiment:
Let's say you have 2 rings of magnets opposed to each other, same poles facing outside - one of the rings can rotate. When you put the rings together the repulsion will take its action and one of the rings will rotate. It will accelerate pretty fast at the beginning and then slow down again, eventually hooking into a position where magnetic poles of both rings are interleaved. It remembers me of the Perendev Video which accelerates very fast: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFGiWiXMHn0 but eventually slows down, because the enclosing stator is fixed.

This must be avoided. Instead the initial acceleration should be taken by its momentum - by minimally changing the position of the stator continuously so that the acceleration is supported instead of slowed down.

Maybe even cogwheels could be used to rotate the stator - like a ticking clockwork.

[Low-Q]

That prendev motor is a hoax, don't you remember? The idea seam appearently to be that the magnetic repelling forces "blows" on eachother to make rotation, but this motor is powered by an electric motor on an outside axle and is hidden behind the wheel. For som spooky reason that axle is much longer on the other side which is not visible during power up. Then you can put two and two together.
The electricmotor is removed and hidden away at the same time as the invntor make more space between the rotor and stator and finally filming around his invention. Why could'n he be filming both sides when it powers up?


I have simulated this motor in FEMM some time ago, and I have analyzed 0.5 degree steps for 10 degrees (36 magnets) . All torque is as much positive as negative during this period. Starts with repulsion, and ends with attraction. The reason is because magnetic force is only a force, Magnetism have no flowing mass that can be used to anything useful.

That said I had a dream once of a gerotary style magnet motor, but it is an impossible design, which work if it was possible to make. Isn't that irritating? You finally design a working magnet motor but it is impossible to make it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDRorMyxdO0&list=TLRctGafDgs-4

Vidar

[gauschor]

Of course I remember that no machine ever worked at Perendev, I was solely referring to the initial acceleration seen in the video. The initial acceleration and subsequent slow-down is the same in most experiments.

The gerotor looks interesting too, never seen something like that. Of course the polarity of the outer cog wheel can't remain the same. But what's about this FEMM? Is this a good software to simulate magnetic devices? (not that it randomly allows infinite runners due to bugs...)