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Overunity Machines Forum



New Perm Mag Engine Design 1.5 : 1 Ratio (work from magnets)

Started by Floor, August 05, 2013, 08:36:48 AM

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telecom

Hi floor,
btw stands for "by the way".

The formulas can only approximately describe the process, but your measurements
are describing them exactly, so your measurements are more important.
What I've noticed from your graphs, is that the excess of work is almost constant at
any distance, therefore it is not really important to integrate, after all. Lets won't worry about the math.

It would be interesting to see what happens with two Neo magnets, or two magnets of different strength, or a very strong magnet and a weak solenoid.

telecom

Quote from: Floor on September 22, 2013, 03:12:53 PM
@Telecom


                           PS

I had originally thought that the SL (sliding) forces would be stronger than the RO (rotational). My projections were in part  based upon the fact that my first measurements were only of the total weights needed to "close the gap by rotation as opposed to by sliding.  These measurements  were greater than 1. 5 : 1.  The 1.5 being the sliding force and the 1, being the rotational force.  After modifying the measuring device for the next set of measurements (addition of the 0 to 90 degree scales), It was shown that the RO forces are in fact greater than the SL.  How unexpected and odd !

                                                             floor

I must also say that this is counterintuitive.
Can you please point me to the graph with the measurement?

Floor

Magnet strengths could affect the ratios,  Particularly so , if the two magnets are of greatly different strengths. 

One reason for this is that no piece of iron is completely magnetized.  Groups of atoms within a magnet, are aligned magnetically with each other in regions, (magnetic domains). The combined mag. fields of these domains, collectively, are aligned as the overall  magnetic polarity / field  of the iron or magnet.   Regions within a magnet that are not  magnetized (are not magnetic domains) will be attracted to either
the north or south poles of another magnet. If the one magnet is very much stronger than the other, this effect can even cause the two
north (or south) poles to stick together. 

I think that stronger magnets will have no effect on the ratio, if they are very nearly the same strength.  I don't know absolutely that this is so. 

A permanent magnet and an solenoid (with an iron core) would have constant attraction and so this would not work in this configuration   Two solenoids would work just as with two magnets.



Floor

The graphs are those already posted

Just remember that RO is rotating and SL is sliding. The two large graphs represent measurements with the magnets in place. 

SL is clamped at close proximity to RO in the LARGE RO graph,  (The width of a sheet of paper)

RO is clamped parallel to SL in the LARGE SL graph. (as SL is pulled toward RO by the weight)

The little graphs RO and SL represent the return stroke and the return rotation. 

Also represented as little graphs (not present in the graph over lay) are measurement of the stroke and rotations while one magnet has been removed (friction alone). Not very relevant under the test conditions.

Floor


Here are  those graphs again


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                                            floor