another Self looped Generator Claim

[MileHigh]

Farmhand:

It's almost like a classic science fiction theme.  You are with the righteous "rebels."  When the rebels win you end up finding out that they are even worse than the "system" that you were fighting against.  Now I do recall that you mentioned that you spoke up in UFO's thread and got a beating.  Welcome to the club!

MileHigh

[tinman]

Tinman:

The worst thing is that nobody on EF challenged UFOPolitics about his incorrect prony brake measurement when you have to assume that many of the thread participants were "clandestinely peeking" on OU.  Same thing for how no one ever raised the issue of comparing an unmodified motor with a "asymmetrically" rewired motor to see if there was any improvement in performance.  There isn't nearly as much of a "free and open-minded exchange of ideas" as they would want you to believe.

Sometimes you can be your own worst enemy.

MileHigh

I did,and UFO asked me to leave the thread,or he would have me removed. I went as far as to spend my own hard earnd cash to prove he was doing it wrong.Even after showing him this,and providing him with the correct method,he still insisted that he did it right.This was his second call of overunity.The first was ofcourse by using light globes-as per the normal form of measurements with OU devices that we see all the time.
Here is the video i made showing both UFO's method,and the propper prony brake method.
This was back in january,when i carried out the test. It seems that UFO has removed all his comments on that video???.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkwRA28Y0dM

[TinselKoala]

@TK
Did i miss something with the yildiz motor?-was it found to be a fraud?.
(snip)

You are kidding, right?

The "preponderance of evidence" is that Yildiz is a faker, because he has never actually demonstrated in public what he claims. The recent demonstration that Sterling went to see was the final nail in the coffin for many Yildiz-watchers, because in spite of his difficulties it was possible to make some power computations, using the known power dissipation values for the model airplane propeller he used as a load. (Mistake, there: he should have stuck with his anonymous fan blade, so he could continue to claim hundreds or thousands of watts output power.) What did happen there was another comedy of deliberate errors that no honest demonstrator would have made or allowed to happen.

So.... "was it found to be a fraud"? Well, if you, or I had been there instead of Sterling Allen, I think it would have been found to be a fraud, conclusively. I would have challenged each of his claims and examined them for validity using things like prony brakes, real gaussmeters and so forth. I would have insisted on observing the long runs as promised, especially the "parking lot overnight" runs,  and I would have wanted to see the "backup" motor running as well. Having agreed in writing with the claimant beforehand what was to be demonstrated, and the criteria for acceptance or rejection, no weaseling or waffling about would have been permitted. A convenient failure of a component, preventing the demonstration, would invoke the "penalty clause": If I don't get to see what you promised me I will see, then you pay me the (large) penalty amount agreed upon. Destruction of the apparatus by a nuclear terrorist attack would be about the only way out of such a penalty clause. Or the claimant dropping dead in his tracks, of course. Lack of a backup plan on the claimant's part does not constitute a provisional "pass" on my part, it counts as a solid "fail".

[MileHigh]

Tinman:

Thanks for the information.  So apparently you and Farmhand tried to make valid contributions to the UFOPolitics threads and you were both cast out.  So I would assume that many of the contributors to the UFOPolitics threads are in a form of denial or they are kind of like "drones in a hive."  I guess that they avoid the notion of real tangible and verifiable results.  Instead they follow the test procedures that they are told to perform by the King Bee.

I don't really follow those threads, but if they are just measuring RPMs and current draw on unloaded motors then that would be a mistake.  A mistake in the sense that they are rewiring real motors that are supposed to do real mechanical work.  (I realize that they also have an "extra" AC output.)  That's in contrast to Bedini motors where you have an "opt-out clause" and just want to look at how well it charges the charging battery.  That's another can of worms not worth getting into again.

In a generic sense, the best approach would be to gain competence or a mastery of "conventional" electronics and motors, and only after that competence has been established then start to research into "new territory."  Of course that's an ongoing issue where some people believe that you can skip the first step altogether and just charge head-on into the second step.

Hence you get people like Rosemary that toil away for years in vain, or UFO with his allegedly improved motors that have never seriously been compared to unmodified motors.  For UFO you have a cult of personality and his minions happening also.

Then you get people like Chuck Pierce where it's possible that he is just trying to impress the "premature second steppers" and at the same time find a deluded angel investor.

Anyway, that's just the way it is.

MileHigh

[MileHigh]

For the Ylidiz affair, that's where Sterling "anti-shines."  It was pathetic to see Sterling pump Yildiz.  Very depressing because if Sterling will pump Yildiz, that means that Sterling will "pump" anything that moves.