Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal

[Farmhand]

There's nothing philosophical about it MileHigh, it's pure logic. 10 Watts input..... Black box..... 20 watts output is only OU if the extra 10 Watts remains from an unknown source and if we already know energy can not be created then we know the extra energy is coming from somewhere so it doesn't really matter where it's coming from because once the extra energy source if found the device was never OU at all ever. It can't be OU for a while just until the source of the extra energy is discovered. That's not how it works nor is it logical.

What is it is an amount of so far unexplained extra energy. No more no less.

Either that or any device with more out than in in OU. Or there is no such thing as OU.

OU must either equal anything with more out than in, or OU must equal the creation of energy. I don't buy into either definition because I think we either have-  over C.O.P. = 1.0, or C.O.P. = 1.0  or C.O.P. = less than 1.0. Now OU can equal over C.O.P. = 1.0 if that is the definition accepted by a group such as at OUR.com. (Power and Creed), and I'm ok with that.

The rules get agreed on, you nor anyone else gets to determine them for everyone. But there needs to be an agreement first and a document to reference. Which is why OUR.com is ahead of the bunch.

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It's not OK to say in 12 months time, Oh that device there was OU for four months until we discovered where the extra energy was coming from but now it's under unity. That just simply isn't right.

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P.S. Depending on the source of the anomalous energy it might be considered "free" energy, which can be categorized in several ways. eg. free for me, but someone else pays (which I don't consider free energy) or free from all monetary cost except the equipment to utilize it, like solar energy is free to collect we don't need to pay for the energy only the equipment.

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I realize all that doesn't sit well with the name of the site, but as long as we don't consider anything over C.O.P. =1 as Over Unity and we accept that energy cannot be created then there is no such thing as energy Over Unity.

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[Pirate88179]

There's nothing philosophical about it MileHigh, it's pure logic. 10 Watts input..... Black box..... 20 watts output is only OU if the extra 10 Watts remains from an unknown source and if we already know energy can not be created then we know the extra energy is coming from somewhere so it doesn't really matter where it's coming from because once the extra energy source if found the device was never OU at all ever. It can't be OU for a while just until the source of the extra energy is discovered. That's not how it works nor is it logical.

What is is is an amount of so far unexplained extra energy.

Either that or any device with more out than in in OU. Or there is no such thing as OU.

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That is exactly the point I had been trying to make in 2 of my above posts.  That is why I mentioned the solar cell because, once the "unknown" energy source is "known", then the O.U. device is no longer O.U. and is no different than a solar cell. Ergo, O.U. is not possible.

For some reason, Void can not understand this very simple and logical fact.  So, I will give up on trying to educate him.

Thanks for putting it more succinctly than I did Farmhand.

Bill

[a.king21]

a.king21


Did you learned Russian language ? 

How else could I talk with Kapanadze? It was when he spoke Georgian with my interpreter that I may as well
have been in China.
I can understand a lot of it.

[MileHigh]

They seem certain that they are putting 1 kw in plus boiling water at 1 kw and getting  a further 6 kw out.
(Those famous 1 kw Soviet era light bulbs again)

It's very difficult to judge light power in a video.  However, you can at least make an estimation.  I also have some experience with 1 kW incandescent light bulbs from doing the lighting in our auditorium in high school.  1 kW incandescent light bulbs are also quite large.

In that clip, the bank of light bulbs looks to me like they are 100 to 150 watt light bulbs.  Only four or five are powered up.

Now, if there were six 1 KW incandescent light bulbs in that clip, the light would be blindingly bright and it would be ridiculously hot.  Think of being in front of two open electric oven doors with all four heating elements on, the two bake elements and the two broil elements.  It would be a time where you "can't stand the heat in the kitchen" for sure.

MileHigh

[ramset]

Those interested in following this discussion with Clarence can be updated over here
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4864-donald-smith-devices-too-good-true-351.html?posted=1#post273521

Please feel free to visit, however please be patient and courteous with respect to questions
there are some very serious replications in progress and more to come.

Clarence is indeed a very Nice and sincere man and is sharing all the info he possibly can.
your patience in this matter is greatly appreciated.

to be clear ALL will be answered in the next few weeks.

Chet K