Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal

[mscoffman]

First on this source of energy

(o) Its primary invocation source is certainly not green.
(o) I estimate that its absolute efficiency of the captor is only 1 to 2%
(o) There is no way to expect everyone would have this.
(o) It is real energy that needs to caught, It is not OU so
     COE applies normally.
(o) There is absolutely no problem recovering energy
     from Telluric sources as long as their frequency is below 60Hz.
(o) Miles High - Automatic Variable Rheostat will work just fine as a captor.
(o) When pulses start flying, though I'd rather be using a transformer version.
(o) Magnetic Amplifiers don't require separate power sources. Their input
      sources supply the energy.

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My experience with home power units are we need 1.5KW continuous energy generating
capacity and 32KWH battery storage (acid/lead storage = ~$14K alone) to supply
average household needs. 

So Clarence's 1KWH unit is going to have a woeful tremendous lack of battery capacity
to hold up to particular home appliances. You are just not going to be able to run
appliances whenever you want. You are going to need to have a quite intelligent
interactive system controller that gives priority to loop battery recharging and stops
one from using an appliance by calculating the risks of future depleting the loop
energy storage.

In the long run there is no problem with this approach because we will have low cost
large (Elon Musk style) lithium battery storage systems (of the correct size, naturally).

So getting *published data* on a standard captor system is a must not only as a
requirement from the standpoint of energy quality and stress on the electrical
components but for calculating battery storage capacity and system behavior. You can
not do this piecemeal by picking a set point and then building and then finding out
how badly the system behavior is impacted.


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Mr. Coffman will you be replicating ?? or gathering a group so as to diminish personal investment
and maximize minimal  public resources for this project ??
we can pick a builder and ship equipment to minimize expense??

Chet K

So I think you can see there is no practical way for me to develop and use this system,
even if I acknowledge that I wouldn't be acting greenly or maybe even fairly. Large
inexpensive battery pack of the future will guarantee the probability of building
this into a low sweet or no sweet systems. So I will proceed slowly and wait for data.

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We need published sources of data on standard cases.

(o) It would give Clarence necessary credibility to proceed rationally
(o) It would allow use to acceptable hardware risks or solve them as problems.
(o) It will allow us to estimate system controller behavior at storage battery set points we
        pick .
(o) It will allow us to suppress the inaccurate text output from unknowledgeable, inexperienced
       and non-insightful comments from certain individuals on the Forum.  The only way to
       fight wide spread BS is with the truth. - Verifiable data text taken from the standard
       systems.


.S.MarkSCoffman

[MileHigh]

>>> (o) I estimate that its absolute efficiency of the captor is only 1 to 2%

What does efficiency mean here?  If you don't define it it's meaningless.

[MileHigh]

>>> (o) There is absolutely no problem recovering energy from Telluric sources as long as their frequency is below 60Hz.

Then please by all means please make a simplified diagram of such a system and explain exactly how it is supposed to work.

>>> (o) Magnetic Amplifiers don't require separate power sources. Their input sources supply the energy.

Quote from the equivalent thread on EF:

Originally Posted by citfta (http://www.energeticforum.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif) Can you explain what you mean by Magamp.  I am asking because I see a lot of confusion on this forum about what a magamp really is and what it really does.  I worked as an industrial maintenance electronic tech for over 25 years and worked on several magamps.   A magamp (magnetic amplifier) as used in industry is a special transformer that allows you to control a large current by using a very small current to control the saturation of the transformer. They will put out exactly the same kind of signal you put into one.  They do not produce a sine wave unless the control current is a sine wave.  And they do not produce any extra power.  They are just like a water faucet that controls the flow of water.  You have to supply the large current but it can be controlled by a small current.

>>> My experience with home power units are we need 1.5KW continuous energy generating
capacity and 32KWH battery storage (acid/lead storage = ~$14K alone) to supply
average household needs. 

So Clarence's 1KWH unit is going to have a woeful tremendous lack of battery capacity
to hold up to particular home appliances. You are just not going to be able to run
appliances whenever you want. You are going to need to have a quite intelligent
interactive system controller that gives priority to loop battery recharging and stops
one from using an appliance by calculating the risks of future depleting the loop
energy storage. <<<

So that's your solution?  A small mountain of batteries to meet the average home's daily needs?  And when the batteries are not being used they are recharged by magic "loop battery recharging?"  Please explain what "loop battery recharging" is.

[MileHigh]

>>>We need published sources of data on standard cases.

(o) It would give Clarence necessary credibility to proceed rationally
(o) It would allow use to acceptable hardware risks or solve them as problems.
(o) It will allow us to estimate system controller behavior at storage battery set points we
        pick .
(o) It will allow us to suppress the inaccurate text output from unknowledgeable, inexperienced
       and non-insightful comments from certain individuals on the Forum.  The only way to
       fight wide spread BS is with the truth. - Verifiable data text taken from the standard
       systems.<<<

Who is going to publish the data?  The problem is that there is no data because there is no working device.  That traps you in a Catch-22 seemingly forever.

What "system controller?"  Do you see anything about some kind of configurable system controller in this discussion?

In your final comment, do you want to suppress yourself and others of your ilk?  Because I am 100% in favour of eliminating BS if at all possible.  No standard systems exist for this beyond-dubious proposition, that is just a figment of your imagination.

[MileHigh]

By "loop recharging," do you just mean the standard operation of Clarence's proposed system?

I am reattaching my drawing showing the power flows.  Feel free to go ahead and build the system as Clarence describes.  You don't need to power a house for starters.

Just run the system with no load, and measure all of the power flows and as shown in the loop.  You prove to us that the "loop recharging" actually works like you claim in your declarative statement.