Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal

[skribat]

Hi Clarence. Ok, I see. I am sure you will figure something out.
You are doing a great job.
All the best...

HE DESERVES A BIG ROUND OF APPLAUSE AND A BIG THANKYOU for all his efforts and for sharing with the rest of us I'm sure that we will all soon recognise that making this open source will be seen to be a big step forward in the development of this type of energy system.  He deserve a big hooray and at dinner tonight I will raise my glass and propose a toast to Clarence, for he's a jolly good fellow, and deserves our support and encouragement for the successful completion of this project. well done.  .. skribat.

[Clarence]

HE DESERVES A BIG ROUND OF APPLAUSE AND A BIG THANKYOU for all his efforts and for sharing with the rest of us I'm sure that we will all soon recognise that making this open source will be seen to be a big step forward in the development of this type of energy system.  He deserve a big hooray and at dinner tonight I will raise my glass and propose a toast to Clarence, for he's a jolly good fellow, and deserves our support and encouragement for the successful completion of this project. well done.  .. skribat.

Clarence:

Hello skribat,

Thanks for your support and kindness!!!!

& @ ALL,

I am not thru yet until thru is DONE. I appreciate all of your support!
I am going to complete whatever rods it takes for the ground return system to maintain the same constant voltage the inverter puts out
to the B&L circuit  with a satisfactory amount of load while doing it.
however be mindful that sometimes it takes me awhile to get things done because of time delay for funds or parts.
I will always continue to post new information as I obtain it and test it for viability. so never despair!

@ VOID

I believe I have found a remedy that will help me to keep and use my TRIPP LITE PR15. I will test my answer to see if it works way later today.

Thanks again gentlemen for your support!

CHEERS!

Clarence

[Farmhand]

Using the grid as the supply is ok as long as all things related to using it are considered.

1) With a grounded neutral and an RCD/safety switch in place the return current between the load and the supply through the ground trips the meter for safety to prevent possible death, If the RCD is bypassed or a circuit arranged to allow the return ground currents rather than using the neutral as the return then it's dangerous.

2) If you use the grid and an isolation transformer then the RCD tripping problem can be avoided. But as soon as one leg of the isolation transformer output is grounded to imitate a grid supply and a portable plug in RCD is used the same problem persists.

3) It is bypassing the neutral and using the ground to carry the return current that causes the in line energy meters to not read the true power.

4) Regardless of the supply type, weather or not the input and output power measurements are true and accurate is the main problem with this type of set up.

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[Clarence]

Hi Clarence. Ok, I see. I am sure you will figure something out.
You are doing a great job.
All the best...

Clarence:

Hello VOID,

I thought about it awhile and I found an answer and a good one for being able to use my TRIPP LITE PR15 to power the
Inverter I use in the B&L unit (Aims 1000W / 2000Wsurge). as I said I was useing mains supply to power the Tripp unit because
it would not work without having problems with the battery system since it was tied to the invertor input also. so I said Self - they
are just like humans - if they cant get along together then separate them!!! so thats what I did.

I had a small 300 GO_PRO inverter, so I took the batteries completely away from being in unison with the Tripp output and let
the batteries only serve to power the 300 Watt inverter and plugged the Tripp unit into that small inverter. I then attached the
out put posts of the Tripp unit to the 1000W inverter to power it directly. so now I had TWO separate systems BUT only connected together
through DC means. I realized ahead of time that I would have to provide a charging method for the batteries but this time there would
not be such a load on them and I could easily use the B&L capture output to power a proper size but not huge smart charger.
again a DC to DC connection but cross system. not having a smart charger on hand I decided to use one of my mini chargers and power it
temporary by mains (that dirty word again)

I got every thing ready to operate and i turned on the 300W inverter and then flipped the switch on the TRIPP LITE unit and it come on nice and quitely!
I took my clamp meter probes and attached to the leads at the 1000 W B&L inverter and it read a steady 13.8 volts! HOW SWEET!
I attached my multimeter probes to the battery supply post and it read 12.4 volts. I attached the mini charger to the posts also.  I also took a 38 W
CFL and plugged it into the B&L capture system out put receptacle and it lit up brightly!  Every thing was working and very quiet for a change! Beautiful!

I had already put the kill-a-watt meters every where so i took all the readings.

out put from 300W Go Pro: 60HZ...111.7 volts....0.84 amps...70.9watts

mains mini charger             :60HZ...123.0 volts....0.22 amps...2.7watts

capture output  light          :60.1HZ...116.0volts...0.32 amps...22.0watts

after I took the readings 15 minutes had passed and I checked the battery reading and it was 12.0 volts, which makes me think that
a smart charger would not have trouble building the batteries and keeping them at a 12.++volt float level during system operation.
all of this proves to me this is the way to go - because I like the constant 13.8 voltage available to the inverter for the B&L capture system.
a low voltage make an inverter perform poorly and that's not my idea of good.

slowly getting the bugs out of the system but at least its defined progress.
when I up size to my larger inverter I will use the present Aims 1000W inverter to be the power in place of the tiny 300W unit. its really a
laugh but it was just for proof of concept.

Thanks and cheers!

Clarence

[Thaelin]

Hi Clarence:
   You are a gem mate. The earth ground has some very strange properties. I can remember
many years ago when I was in Wyoming, I was hired to ride fence and repair any breaks. The
gent I was with made the mistake of grabbing two ends of a barbed wire strand to put them back
together and it gave him one hell of a jolt. Surface charge is very real and can be quite large.
In the hundreds of volts some times.
   We need to remember that two voltages will have  a difference between them. That equates
to a potential that will do work. The ground is at one level and your device is at another.

Keep on and thanks for shareing your findings allong the way.