Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal

[memoryman]

"its WAY past "scope " time" Why? are you afraid of what it may tell you?
"and your statement about the rods is NOT true or accurate either!" How do you KNOW that without accurate measurements?
"go back to page 40 and reread the PESN evaluation  which is a RECOGNIZED international organization (not private )." PESN is not known for its scientific accuracy; SA has no clue about measuring.
"Their evaluation was POSITIVE in ALL areas!" Of course it was; SA will always believe claims of OU, no matter how ridiculous.
"I'm sure that their evaluation equipment included a lot more than just a SCOPE and was of a higher quality than all the members on this thread combined!"  again, how do you KNOW that?

[Void]

IMPORTANT UPDATE: aaron5120 no one to date has grasped the fact that this unit with just the toroids in looped secondary coil  format and the full SIXTY ground rod installation (4 rods input  -  56 rods return ) can simply be powered LEGALLY by plugging the toroids and the phase / neutral as shown in a  previous schematic into any mains outlet receptacle and get the SAME type of results B&L
demonstrated in their first you tube video ( which has now been taken down ). THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY DID!!!  and I have recently done the same thing MYSELF!!! you CANNOT DO IT WITHOUT  THE GROUND RODS IN PLACE FIRST!!! I verified my results with my KILL-A-WATT meters I always use in my circuits.  the results were stunning to say the least. you get about 80% useage power through
the GROUND system to whatever load you place but ONLY USE ABOUT 20% power consumption through the mains  system you use!!! so until you can get enough funds to obtain the battery and charger and the inverter you can just use the mains method and reduce your mains bill by about 80% as soon as you build. however do NOT bragg about it to your utility Company because you will be reducing their revenue from you by 80% and they sure won't like it ! in the mean time you can complete your build and finally get free.

example - I powered my unit (without charger, Battery,inverter attached at all) and plugged my microwave unit into my build output to load .........
KWM meter read 15.5 amps at 1604 watts and the mains KWM SHOWED 2.2 amps at 268 watts.  about an 80/20 relationship.

Hi Clarence. Those are interesting results for sure. However whenever the mains is connected into this sort of circuit
which makes use of earth ground connections, there is always a chance that ground loops back to the
mains are a factor. There should be a simple way to test this exact same setup however without the mains
being in the picture at all. If you get a chance sometime, I'd be really interested to hear what you get
for power measurements in Watts, and also the Power Factor (PF) reading if possible, on both the input and output
power kill-a-watt meters, when connected in as shown in the attached connection diagram. If you can
get the same sort of readings when using your battery and inverter to power the circuit, that should take 
ground loops back to the mains right out of the picture. Please note that the input power meter is connected before
the input ground connection to the neutral, so as not to have the ground wire looping around the kill-a-watt meter.
All the best...

[wistiti]

Hi all. Ok, I discussed with Clarence, and the attached schematic should match
Clarence's current circuit wiring setup. If you have any questions on the schematic, you
can direct them to Clarence and he should be able to help you out, if he is not too busy.

This new revised schematic shows the inverter's AC output divided into two sets of wires from two plugs,
(or you can also use terminal strips), but I believe Clarence's inverter is only producing one phase, so it is
still just one phase out of the inverter, but just divided into two sets of wires to match the way Clarence has it wired.
You can see Clarence's hand drawn schematic posted recently to see how he wired into terminal
strips on his actual test board, and other specific details to his build.

Maybe when Clarence gets his ground rod grid finalized, Clarence can post a drawing to show
exactly how he has laid out all the ground rods and connected them together.

All the best...

Hi Clarence and all!
Thank you very much for sharing your great work with us!
I have a question about the ground 'inducer'  (see image) Does it is 'open ended' as shown on the schematic or it is connect on itself? i ask cause it seem to be on the photo of your unit...
Thank you for the eventuel answer. And apologise if for someone it is seem evident...
ps: dont worry about the septic one; if they whant the best answer about their question, they just have to build it!

[Clarence]

"its WAY past "scope " time" Why? are you afraid of what it may tell you?
"and your statement about the rods is NOT true or accurate either!" How do you KNOW that without accurate measurements?
"go back to page 40 and reread the PESN evaluation  which is a RECOGNIZED international organization (not private )." PESN is not known for its scientific accuracy; SA has no clue about measuring.
"Their evaluation was POSITIVE in ALL areas!" Of course it was; SA will always believe claims of OU, no matter how ridiculous.
"I'm sure that their evaluation equipment included a lot more than just a SCOPE and was of a higher quality than all the members on this thread combined!"  again, how do you KNOW that?

@ memoryman:

your statement about FEAR is just as ridiculous as the rest of your conversation.
my SCOPE is the ACTUAL ACHIEVED results OFF GRID of my BUILT UNIT!!!!!
MY ground rods have been TALKING TO ME through THEIR performance!!!! HA. HA.
you should simply put a BUILD where your mouth is and then you can SCOPE  all you want to!!!!
until then know that I won't waste my time answering your useless conversation again!!!

Clarence

[memoryman]

My goodness, the strong reaction to simple words.
I strongly suspect (but can only verify by actual measurements on site) that what you are doing is both illegal and dangerous.
Kill-a-watt devices do not always give accurate results.
You can ignore my posts if you want, but going to jail and/or paying hefty fines for what you are doing is probably not what you want.
I admire your experimentation and am helping another experimenter although I know that he is wrong about what he is doing.
The best of luck Clarence. (you'll need a lot if you continue this way)