Proof of Overunity From Magnets Fixture, No Negative Work Aspect, LaFonte

[gammarayburst]

Hi Gamma / Butch
  I think this is an intriguing idea. I've tried to simplify the mechanism a bit. Do you think the attached diagram is ok?

There's only 1 magnet. When it's on one bar - they're attracted, when it's on both - they're repelled...

The slidey bit could use improving - would need to make it symetrical...

Regards
Tim

Tim, that is one smart idea! Let me look at every aspect of it. There just might be something there.
Butch LaFonte

[gammarayburst]

@GammaRayBurst

Nice concept !  I am a little bit familiar with the pseudo solid interactions. After I have spent some more time studying your new design.
I will then consider what, and if I can contribute some thing as you have requested.

Thanks for the good work

                                        floor

Floor, Thanks so much for your interest. Right now our biggest problem is the need for 3D animations so people can truly understand how it operates.
Testing of the work reqiured to move the magnet when it is in a truly "floating" state and not touching the side bars and the forces are equal but opposite on the magnet. I believe it can be moved with the push a feather when in that state. Thanks again, we need all the help we can get.
Good to have you with us.
Butch LaFonte

[gammarayburst]

@Butch,

It looks like this concept might work to build a magnetic Stirling  engine.

It's probably not necessary to move the magnet all the way back to the start. After a few inches down the steel it should once again attract.
It could be cycled like a Stirling engine, the steel moves together in attraction with one magnet, then the other magnet slides close, then the steel and the sliding magnet move away in repel completing the cycle.
I've done some work on your design a while back with this concept and it does show promise. In fact, if you first let only the steel move, it will push itself partially off the magnet and increase the overall repelling effect by a large factor, then the magnet will pull themselves back onto the steel later on in the cycle.

Lumen, Any way you can get a sketch to me? I want to make sure we are on the same page. Also, I was never able to get the bars only to repel past half the magnet width. How about you?
Your idea could be a huge improvement, looking forward to seeing exactly how you have it laid out.
Butch

[tim123]

Hi Butch
  I've been looking at a few of your vids. I particularly like this rotary arrangement you designed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4O9BY5U_BI

I think it's a cracking idea - and it's similar to one of my projects. The general idea being to alternately magnetise / demagnetise bits of iron, and let the field do the work - in a direction perpendicular to the input power.
http://www.overunity.com/13692/core-rearrangement-fin-motor-open-tech-ou/msg368571/#msg368571

I think you can effectively 'float' magnets over steel in many configurations - most rotating machines do it.

I think you'll get a much stronger effect if the iron is between 2 magnets - ideally so the iron is completing (part of) a magnetic circuit.

I'm going to ponder and see what occurs...

[norman6538]

In this emulation http://home.planet.nl/~sintt000/ButchVideo.wmv
I can picture a weight off to the right connected with a string and dropping
down as the arms goes up. Then when the magnet gets back into the starting
place the attraction would then pull the weight back up as it pulls the arm back
down. And the big bugaboo of a magnet being weakest at  a distance could be
compensated by a variable lever pulley and arm that has its greatest leverage
at the weakest distance and least leverage at its closest distance where the magnetic
power is greatest. ie. arm up and weight down and arm down and weight up.

Norman