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Proof of Overunity From Magnets Fixture, No Negative Work Aspect, LaFonte

Started by gammarayburst, September 05, 2013, 03:00:53 PM

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gammarayburst

Quote from: elecar on September 11, 2013, 03:17:04 PM
Hi Gamma, I can not do a 3d drawing, but would the effect be the same if only the outer ring of bars was movable ?
Yes it would but not as strong during the attraction phase to the up coming set of closed bars because the magnet is still over one of the un-open bars. If you could show the still closed inside bar open that would get the idea across to many. The problem is the stator in your drawing would need to be turned 90 degrees to do that. The bars would bind as they are now. I don't understand, every aspect of this is on video and works perfect but no one seems to care. It's so simple and self evident. I wonder sometimes? Thanks for the help!
Butch

LibreEnergia

Quote from: gammarayburst on September 11, 2013, 10:47:14 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXlJWZWe1oc

You are just fooling yourself if you think this video represents any effect or concept that might be useful in a self running PMM.

Here is what actually happens.
1. You apply work (via your hand) to place the rotor in a position where it gains potential energy.
2. It sits in a small 'potential well' where a small amount of extra work (moving the block) causes a larger amount of work or movement in the rotor.
3. The rotor moves then stops, because it is attracted back to the block. No further movement is possible without extra energy input.

What you neglect to realise or show is that the sum of the forces x distances moved (including the initial potential given to the system given by hand exhibits anything other than a totally conservative result.  (Integral of force with respect to distance over a closed path is zero.)

This (or any other arrangement of permanent magnets) cannot be used to generate an excess of energy.

gammarayburst

Quote from: LibreEnergia on September 11, 2013, 08:40:55 PM
You are just fooling yourself if you think this video represents any effect or concept that might be useful in a self running PMM.

Here is what actually happens.
1. You apply work (via your hand) to place the rotor in a position where it gains potential energy.
2. It sits in a small 'potential well' where a small amount of extra work (moving the block) causes a larger amount of work or movement in the rotor.
3. The rotor moves then stops, because it is attracted back to the block. No further movement is possible without extra energy input.

What you neglect to realise or show is that the sum of the forces x distances moved (including the initial potential given to the system given by hand exhibits anything other than a totally conservative result.  (Integral of force with respect to distance over a closed path is zero.)

This (or any other arrangement of permanent magnets) cannot be used to generate an excess of energy.
Your reply is incorrect.
Thanks,
Butch

LibreEnergia

Quote from: gammarayburst on September 11, 2013, 08:44:01 PM
Your reply is incorrect.
Thanks,
Butch

All I can say is you are going to continue to waste your time on this, until you finally come to realise that conventional wisdom about the nature of magnetism is sound.

The mathematics is incontrovertible. You will need to show how and why that math is wrong if this device to have any hope of working. Your videos do not show anything of value in that regard.

gammarayburst

Quote from: LibreEnergia on September 11, 2013, 09:00:33 PM
All I can say is you are going to continue to waste your time on this, until you finally come to realise that conventional wisdom about the nature of magnetism is sound.

The mathematics is incontrovertible. You will need to show how and why that math is wrong if this device to have any hope of working. Your videos do not show anything of value in that regard.
Thanks for you input.
Butch