Can a PMM rotor generate enough usable electricity to escape the "sticky point"?

[Liberty]

LibreEnergia, respectfully I believe you did not read the OPs post correctly. It appears that the OP is asking whether it is possible to derive enough power from a single turn of a PMM to be able to use that power to escape the sticky spot.

Perhaps a generator driven by the PMM could be geared many times to 1 where it could store energy in say a cap and that energy released via a coil at the gate. There are some examples of PMMs giving very good torque on a single rotation.

I would say it may be possible regardless of magnets having conservative fields.

It depends on how much energy is required to overcome the locking or blocking point (sticky spot).  If you have to equal the magnet's strength, it will not be a useful device to have more output than input.  It's all about efficiency.  Here is a permanent magnet motor design that is capable of achieving this level of efficiency.  www.dynamaticmotors.com
The electric car industry needs a developed version of this technology, but so far they only try to use batteries.

[elecar]

Hi Liberty, my point was that the OPs questions were not being answered. Instead there are a load of replies that are of no use. To me the OPs questions were pretty clear.

I believe Carl is asking is it possible to generate enough power from a single turn of a PMM to use to escape/pass the sticky spot.
Personally I do not have the answers, specifically because electronics/electrics are beyond me.
But that does not mean it is not possible, and replies simply stating that PMM can not work because they are conservative fields has nothing to do with the questions being asked.

Can a PMM rotate 1 time before it hits the sticky point ? Yes
Can energy be used to pass the sticky point ? Yes
Can energy be stored during that rotation ? Yes

So the OP wants to know, how can energy be captured during that rotation, to be used to get past the sticky point.

[Liberty]

Hi Liberty, my point was that the OPs questions were not being answered. Instead there are a load of replies that are of no use. To me the OPs questions were pretty clear.

I believe Carl is asking is it possible to generate enough power from a single turn of a PMM to use to escape/pass the sticky spot.
Personally I do not have the answers, specifically because electronics/electrics are beyond me.
But that does not mean it is not possible, and replies simply stating that PMM can not work because they are conservative fields has nothing to do with the questions being asked.

Can a PMM rotate 1 time before it hits the sticky point ? Yes
Can energy be used to pass the sticky point ? Yes
Can energy be stored during that rotation ? Yes

So the OP wants to know, how can energy be captured during that rotation, to be used to get past the sticky point.

Hi elecar,

1.  Whether a PMM can rotate 1 time before it hits the sticky point is not the most important issue.  What is important is how much energy does it take to pass the sticky point, (how efficient is the transaction)?

2.  The energy might be able to be used depending on your design.  How much torque output does your motor have and can it constantly produce this torque or only at certain points in the rotation?  Then (if you have a running motor), calculate the output of the motor using a prony brake and a weight scale at 1 foot distance (Foot ounces).  Then calculate the measurement into watts to find the average output from the motor.  Or if the motor doesn't run,  use a string attached to the rotor and test to see how much weight the motor can lift, and how far it pulls it, in how much time.

3.  To store the energy or delay the energy usage till the proper time to use it.  You can use mechanical methods to feed back the energy into the motor input.  But there are issues and loss you will encounter with this method including friction.

You can capture the energy by generating power with a generator and storing electrical power in a capacitor, or using mechanical means such as a spring.  There is loss using both methods.  The real question is how little energy can I use and how efficiently can the sticky point be overcome vs. how much output can the motor produce.  What is the best method of passing the sticky point?  Is the method to pass the sticky point efficient enough to make the motor useful and practical? 

Happy experimenting!

[TechStuf]

The real question is how little energy can I use and how efficiently can the
sticky point be overcome vs. how much output can the motor produce.  What
is the best method of passing the sticky point?  Is the method to pass the
sticky point efficient enough to make the motor useful and practical? 

Compare the simplest and most inefficient electric motor you can find.....one with ceramic magnets even....and it will outperform these "gate/track" setups.  Why?  For the simple reason that magnets are MUCH more efficient in close proximity direct push/pull operation than in some slow, drawn out, slide to no where.

The v-gate and similar "experiments" are rather like watching a geriatric try and negotiate a wheel chair ramp.  Eventually one sympathizes with the situation and offers a boost because the person didn't have the energy to clear the bump at the top of the ramp.  And who put that bump there in the first place? 

Monkey see, Monkey do....doesn't just apply at the zoo.

One should make solid efforts to remain methodical in one's approach to negotiating the concepts and practices of any science to which they wish to offer contribution. Starting in the middle somewhere, after watching a video, without first seeking solid foundation, nearly always ends in frustration. 

These exotic, time consuming setups which may look impressive....of which there are many.....one may only truly critique them by the yardstick of "EXPERIENCE".
In your experience, is it worth replicating?  Not sure?  Get more experience.
So many are still copying long ago disproved concepts, in hopes of re-inventing the wheel by....apparently attempting to wear a circular groove in space/time itself?
 
Before following another's path......first get hands on.  Serious hands on time with magnets and their interactions.  Feel nature's rules before trusting the 'sanitized for your protection' versions of others.  Sit in a room by yourself, quiet, no distraction.  Pen and paper handy.  You and two magnets.  Begin observing their interactions in your hand, keeping distance and orientation always in mind.  You may be shocked at the "rules" you observe that no one else has revealed to you.

It can and will save the serious researcher much wasted time following the circular tracks laid down by many.

H. Johnson
S. Kundel
Q. Gang

Three examples of those on the "Right" track.  Perhaps if they'd have shared the same "train", So many wouldn't still be stuck at the station.

TS

[lumen]

I think, just build it without the "sticky spot"!

It may be easier than you think!
Without giving the entire concept at this time, ask "at what point do two magnets contain the most kinetic energy.
1: Far from each other?
2: Close to each other?
I have a computer model that shows an PM oscillator with no "sticky spot".
So before I embarrass myself with claims, I will first build it and see for myself why it fails to operate the way the model indicates it should.