Overunity (what is it?)

[tinman]

This is the split off forum,that MH said we should have.
This forum is to discus our thoughts as to what overunity is,without the big head master and his big stick. If your going to make a forum for others to voice there opinion,then thats exactly what should happen. So here you will be able to put forth your thoughts,without the fear of ending up with a strike in my book-as i dont have a book.

So befor we go trying to solve the riddle of achieving overunity,it would help if we actualy knew what it was.Without knowing what it is,is like going for your motor vehicle licence without knowing what a motor vehicle is-preaty stupid !right?!

The general consensus seems to indicate that overunity is a device or mechanism,that puts out more energy than it consumes. But this seems impossible if we look at the laws of physics as we know it.That one law stands in the way-!energy cannot be created.! So for a device to put out more energy than is consumed-it would have to be creating energy.

Free energy devices already exist,but these do not create energy.
Renewable,or as i call it(recycled energy)devices already exist-but these also do not create energy.
But as of yet-no overunity devices exist-so it is said.But this comment is hard to make,when we dont know what overunity is.

So lets try and decide as a group,what overunity is,or even if it can exist.
What is an example of an overunity device that exist today?.
Some say that the planet's dont slow down-when in actual fact,every planet that has a moon,is slowing down. But the moon is speeding up at the same rate-so we get our equal and opposite reaction. Maybe we should call it an exotic energy machine?

[TechStuf]

The vast majority of people on our planet, FE researchers included, wouldn't recognize OU if it bit them.  This is because the more real something becomes in our increasingly unreal world, the more it is distrusted, feared, and ignored.

This planet LOVES the lie.

How does a wind powered vehicle move down wind at 4 times the speed of the tail wind that got it started?  Once it moves faster than it's own tail wind, what really makes it go?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CcgmpBGSCI

Joe Griggs's Hydrosonic Pump has been proven to produce much more energy as heat than it takes in as electricity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh_-DUKQ4Uw&list=PL5733824E8EC41CDA

And notice yet again, the game of "terminology twister" perpetrated around this device:

http://www.exposingthetruth.co/over-unity-led-light-a-reality/

How many "experts" have said, "I'll believe it when the device cools down, rather than heats up".  This device does just that, yet we are to believe that it simply absorbs heat from it's environment at such a rate that it cools down. LOL.  Since when is an LED an efficient absorber of ambient heat?  Look at the design.  If it is being driven by ambient heat, where is the simple test of operating it in a deep freeze for confirmation?

Here's another interesting experiment....(fwiw).....the mere reality that so much BS chokes the traffic on nearly every walk of life these days, will prevent the truth from being absorbed.  Even from all the 'ambient heat' given off from all the crap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PU5JvO1opkk

True or fake?

There are MANY examples of "overunity", but the perpetual cries of "fake" and "it gets it's energy from known sources" is usually enough to flip the increasingly sensitive "off switch" in the minds of the many minions.

We must face the fact that our world is corrupted and co-opted by an insidious cabal that is so rapacious, that it only knows how to take.  Even it's acts of giving are for the goal of taking.  Knowing not how to truly give, it views acts of true generosity as contemptible and wasteful, stupidity.  This is why the world turns increasingly away from Life, toward the easier to understand, and sub consciously self deserving state, of death.

I guarantee you that should an overbalanced wheel be shown and proven, the vast majority of the "holier than thou" blowhards of science, rather than backpedal, and admit their stupidity, would simply respond with assertions of energy conversion.
"Oh yes, it is simply converting gravity into rotary motion"....blah....blah....

What seems simple to those of us closest to the research, is alien to them.  But once, much like a simple, 3 digit combination lock, the combination is shown, what before seemed like way too much work for so little a chance at gain.....

Becomes embarrassingly simple.

Too simple for the arrogant ones to handle.  As they haven't the character required to man up and admit to the damage caused by their former condition.
The real reason that we cling to the hope of free energy, despite the avalanche of crap involved, is that we instinctively, at our core, realize the Truth of it.  Yet how many will look hard enough to see the Source of it.....

ALL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHxUrG67QC8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TokXogAzHKU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJyUtbn0O5Y

From what I have witnessed in my short sojourn on this planet, there is plenty of evidence to support one's observations that there is MUCH more to our reality than we currently realize.  And free energy plays a relatively small, subsidiary role to the greater  realization of Who have gone before us, what they have done, are doing, and will do with their domain....


Us included.



TS


P.S.  What's more important?  Free energy or time travel?  Given that the day in which we live was foretold with great accuracy thousands of years ago....perhaps one's focus should not be on "free energy" at this critical juncture.  But instead, one's efforts should best be exerted in aligning one's self with those they see as best capable of winning an age old power struggle.....whose future culmination is now arriving, according to schedule.  Free energy is just one of the many rewards awaiting the one who chooses wisely, Whom it is that he will serve. 

[forest]

Yes, greed and interest rule this world. Free energy is simple and simply ordinary people are finding it, yet they have to keep it in silence because.... most are ready to steal the concept for profit...
like here [size=78%]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiZ6dBpjz44[/size]

I didn't wanted to offend inventors, they are really great people  thinking out of the box, I simply poited that even uneducated man can invent somethign extraordinary when is exatraordinary patient!

[LibreEnergia]

The vast majority of people on our planet, FE researchers included, wouldn't recognize OU if it bit them.  This is because the more real something becomes in our increasingly unreal world, the more it is distrusted, feared, and ignored.

This planet LOVES the lie.

How does a wind powered vehicle move down wind at 4 times the speed of the tail wind that got it started?  Once it moves faster than it's own tail wind, what really makes it go?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CcgmpBGSCI

No overunity 'lie' here. Just some engineering. Coupling the rotating propeller to the wheels via a gear train enables this to work.  Compare this with a fixed sail on a land yacht. This cannot sail continuously directly down wind faster than the wind. It can only do so at an angle to the wind determined by the over all lift to drag ratio. 

[MileHigh]

I will start by repeating my basic point.

You have renewable energy, like hyrdo dams and solar cells, the root source for almost all renewable energy is the Sun.  Then you have geothermal energy, and energy extracted from the rotating Earth like tidal energy and so on.  Then the "big story" on the Universe is the idea that all of the suns will eventually burn out like the hot coals in a smoldering fireplace.  So way out in the future the Universe will be cold and dark and filled with dead remnants of the formerly burning suns.  Certainly renewable energy is on an exponential increase so I think that bodes well for the future.

And then you have alleged free energy.  More measured power out than in or energy just seemingly magically appearing from nothingness.  That's Sterling's "energy from the environment" that nobody can define or measure or describe.

This second one is the one that interests me.  You look at the parade of people and their stories that flow through Sterling's PESN web site.  Most of them are not credible, and some of them are a complete joke.  Certainly, a certain percentage of them are pure criminals just throwing their story out there because they know that there are deluded people that will get excited and part with their cash.  I like to debate and challenge the high-profile ones.  Sometimes they are so weak technically that you can make mincemeat out of them.  Sometimes if you have a decent technical background it's shocking what you see and how corrupt it is.  For example, John Rohner was the "designer" of the spark plug controller for his version of the "PAPP engine" and always boasted about his technical knowledge and background.  If that's true, how come on a Facebook debate it became clear that the man did not even understand how a spark plug circuit works?  It just makes no sense and the only logical and reasonable explanation is that he is a really lousy con artist.  Hence the FBI raid and the ongoing fake boasting.

I have never seen anything that is credible as a true free energy device up to now.  Most clips that try to be "serious" I figure are some deluded people and mostly budding con artists.  How hard is it to use some multimeters and a scope and make some serious measurements?  It's not that hard really, but you just never see it done.  It's almost insane after a while.

So right now it's a bit of fun to debate but I hope another Steorn comes around and the debate gets involved.  I don't know, perhaps the closest high-profile proposition is/was Wayne and HydroEnergy Revolution.  He seems like a nice guy, and he is as adept at the art of spin and delay as anybody.  But one more time, you are looking at a case where if he really had something then it would be a no-brainer to make a convincing demo with real unambiguous measurements - but he will not do it.  The realization that comes to me, perhaps not to others, is that Wayne is just a con artist.  I don't know if he literally has a good chunk of a small town duped, and real engineers are working with him, or if he and a dozen are conspiring with him or what.  What I do know is that you simply can't set up a big box filled with floats and valves and bellows in the middle of a parking lot and have it output continuous power from "nowhere" for weeks on end.  It's simply impossible and Wayne has never shown even one tiny shred of evidence that he has something.  Also, he speaks the language of a con artist if you open up your mind and are prepared to really be open to all of the possibilities.

So will some device ever tap into some "clockwork" or "vacuum?"  Right now it doesn't look like it.  However, like I said above the glass is half-full and getting fuller as time goes on. There is so much solar power raining down on us that it will indeed provide for all of our needs.  We are just starting on the journey and the world is indeed going to change a fair amount over the next 30 years in terms of energy consumption and how we produce it and store it and so on.

The future is bright!

MileHigh