Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks

[Farmhand]

Hi e2matrix and all,Lights flickers several times during start up – that's normal, of course. But what's abnormal is they flicker when the "self-powering switch" it turned on (at 01:08). Go figure...

Again, part of the wiring is done through the metal chassis?! And, like tak22 noticed above, the contraption is conveniently placed on wooden boards and, moreover, quite close to the power outlet despite the fact that power cord is several meters long. Also, I'm pretty sure that the wooden board extending under that working bench (and under that wooden box too!) was pure accidentally placed there and nothing is hidden underneath...
Not to mention that if I've had a device like that, it is absolutely certain I would've started it mechanically. Wouldn't you?!

On the other hand, if you can agree with the inventor for a close inspection (with measurements and everything), I can do it for you  assuming he's not too far from my location. But please get the agreement; from what I've seen already, imho it's not worthy to spend the time for even a phone call. Contact data is on their site. Oh, almost forgot to mention that their site says that: "autonomous systems will be manufactured within 3 months after signing the contract".  That's 3 months not 3 weeks. <Autonomous system>  in Romanian language is <sistem autonom> and <months> is <luni>.

Best regards,
Tinu

I think I agree with the board hiding a wire to the grid. My original suspicion was that there was a battery and inverter in the white box, however now that I look closely at the board in question there is a definite sussness to it.

If we look at the frame at 2:21 minutes we can see that the right hand leg of the frame sits on the board and the board is flat to the ground because of the weight on it. However if we look at the left side of the board and all the way under the box there is a gap under the board extending from the left leg of the device frame to under the box which is under the bench near where the grid power may be. Te gap under the board is consistent with the thickness of a mains cable, either a three in a row cable or even a regular two or three wire cable, the right hand side of the board is flat on the ground the left hand side of the board is above the ground even with the device sitting on it. I say it is cable fed from the grid under the board on the floor. And possibly has a battery inverter setup as well in the white box so he can show it "just runs" anywhere, or so he can show the light globe lighting from the input cable, none of the devices being powered means much at at all. That welder has got to be the smallest welder I have ever seen, If I plugged my MIG welder in and began welding 15 mm steel plate continuously I would say the machine would slow dramatically.

With all the equipment he has it would have taken about 10 seconds to trim that board off so it was long enough to just fit under the two legs of the frame, why extend it all the way to the box.

Honestly these fakes are tiresome. This guy ought to be blackballed.

Cheers

[gotoluc]

Hi Gotuluc,

By mechanical start I was thinking to a friction device apart from the system and ideally powered by anything else except electricity, eventually a small gasoline engine. That way I could have drove with it into the woods and proving with fewer doubts the device really works as advertised.

I look forward to hear from your recent experience,
Tinu

Hi Tinu,

thanks for your reply and clarification of the mechanical start. I do agree in those condition it would be had to disprove it does not work.  I think you have an excellent idea if he is open to proving it really works. However, we have to be realistic as it would be a big job to move this 1000 pounds+ device just to please the skeptic. But who knows, he may do it.

I think there is a strong possibility the induction motor (prime mover) is operating on reactive power.  Once switched to loop mode, the current for the prime mover could be supplied by the generator.
I don't think the flywheel is used to tap into some hidden energy. I think it's there to keep the balance and momentum going between the induction motor and the generator of sudden changes in current loads, as I think you wouldn't want a direct drive between prime mover and gen as it would be a rough ride. You can think of the flywheel as maybe like a shock absorber.

Now, if the generator is supplying reactive current to the prime mover, then there should be something in the circuit (between gen and prime mover) which can do this. If the prime mover is only using reactive power from the gen then the gen should not feel the prime mover as a load since it's not using real power. If this is the case then you would expect the gen to continue its momentum without needing much more mechanical power (other than friction losses) to keep turning.
Now if the gen does not loose its momentum and the prime mover is able to use the reactive power and convert it to mechanical torque, then it could be possible for the gen to keep turning. This could all be a balancing act of energy conversions.

One thing I have observed of circuits working with reactive power is, the more load you put on then the more efficient they get. I know it's hard to believe but that is my experience

Now, if this is how this device works, you may want to ask yourself, humm ... what could be the part in the circuit that could be converting the gens current to a reactive current for the prime mover to use?

I have not seen anyone mention anything about and unusual part on this device!

Please note: this is how I believe this device could works and may not be factual.

Luc

[Farmhand]

Reactive power is only the difference between the applied power and the consumed power, all reactive power is derived from the supply.

Reactive power does not come from nowhere it comes from the supply and is the unconsumed portion of the applied power, if it comes from the supply and does not return it is not reactive power, any power from the supply is metered and reactive power is un-metered so to speak. If "reactive" power is used it immediately becomes real power and is metered and paid for because it does not return to the supply to un-meter the "reactive" amount from the consumed amount.

Reactive power is either not used or converted to real power.

Any power that powers a load to produce work output is "real power".

Cheers

[gotoluc]

Hi e2matrix,

On issues:
Floor is concrete. Not of the best quality and quite thin and cracked but still concrete.
I couldn't see a single client in his portofolio so I can't tell if he really has a business or just a website claiming that.
As for contacting him, I am 100% convinced he is a fraud so I would do more harm than good.
Yes I'm in Romania but I'm in Bucharest and by the phone number they are in North of Romania, some 500km away.
Don't use google translate for Romanian language. It sucks. Better use Spanish instead – I read their website saying they've came back from Spain so presumably they shall speak Spanish. Alternatively, I can help translating your messages (assuming you will not fall in love so to write each other huge letters). PM me if you want it.
Despite the distance from my residence, I still might be able to do a field check in several weeks if you get their agreement for it. That's the area where I could really help, especially because of my beliefs (of fraud, in this case)[/font]. I have enough expertise  (I'm physicist) but unfortunately not much testing equipment to take with me at their location. But do you really think you'll ever get their agreement for inspecting the "merchandise" before anything else?
Wanna bet?

Best regards,
Tinu

Tinu, could you please translate what he is taking about in this video:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PFeFyKSOrHU#t=11

This video seems to be before he built the device and he seems to be describing how he is going to build it with the parts in his workshop.

Thanks

Luc

[gotoluc]

Reactive power is only the difference between the applied power and the consumed power, all reactive power is derived from the supply.

Reactive power does not come from nowhere it comes from the supply and is the unconsumed portion of the applied power, if it comes from the supply and does not return it is not reactive power, any power from the supply is metered and reactive power is un-metered so to speak. If "reactive" power is used it immediately becomes real power and is metered and paid for because it does not return to the supply to un-meter the "reactive" amount from the consumed amount.

Reactive power is either not used or converted to real power.

Any power that powers a load to produce work output is "real power".

Cheers

Hi Farmham,

thanks for your post.

If I had an electrical device operating on reactive power and an oscilloscope was attached to measure the voltage and current, what would the scope shot look like?

Thanks for your help

Luc