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Overunity Machines Forum



OVERUNITY DEVICE

Started by magnetman12003, October 04, 2013, 07:36:25 PM

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FatBird

Your video is so, so, so SAD.  I see numerous wires going every which way, caps,
transformers, coils of wire, meters, NOISE, flashes of light, etc.


Who knows what wire goes where!!!

Please make a CLEAN layout & shoot another video so we can see what's REALLY going on.


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TinselKoala

Well, Magnetman?

Your video with the bogus measurements and false claims is still up, and you haven't explained how you could be measuring a current in a voltmeter lead. You still seem to think that your kludge is patentable, that it is worthy of consideration for a prize or two, that someone might think it's worth ten thousand dollars. Where is your evidence?





Farmhand

Here is the deal as I see it, even if the current to the load was measured and the voltage causing the load current was measured accurately, the load current would be pulsed and could well "indicate" (by the meters) more out than in, but of course that would be an illusion anyway, I can show what "appears" to be more out than in, by using DC measurement techniques in pulsed current situations such as the output of as magnet spinner or a pulse motor or a coil discharge battery charger, however when the output is smoothed to be actually DC not PDC or pulsed direct current the efficiency shown becomes fairly accurate and is always less than 100%, I can get efficiency of over 90%, in some cases, at some powers depending on the quality of the setup, coils-diodes-mosfets,drivers ect.

The lack of a scope shot showing the output voltage and current means the video would be useless even if he did measure the output power, in some way, which he didn't.

That video is one of the many reasons my posts will become less and less until there is no more.

There is no OU. For energy to come out of a circuit it must first go in. Pure logic.

Cheers


e2matrix

Well I guess some guys here can't read or didn't read the text below the video.   Firstly Tom is an old guy who has been at this device a long while.   He states below the video that he clamped AROUND the wire not onto it after the camera was away from the actual wire that he was temporarily clipped onto.   In case you haven't noticed Tom doesn't have the steadiest hands (something that often comes with age) so I admire that he is still at this and forgive an occasional mess up when clipping around a wire :)     As for why he's measuring around the voltmeter lead well that's something I might even question.   


I think Magluvin has some good suggestions to try running it looped with batteries or a big capacitor.   That will stop a lot of the whining here if it can be run that way.   If it's only consuming 8 or 9 watts a couple very small batteries should do the trick and when it's been running a week you definitely got something.   Or use a big cap or caps.   I know Tom is not trying to scam anyone.   I know he believes he has overunity and he may indeed have but that video does leave some room for improvement on showing the device.   

   Tom,  you might also want to consider magnet suspension bearings that may get you even higher RPM.   I've seen some on youtube but never quite like an idea I've got.   Same setup as most but opposing magnets at the end of your axle and on both end boards to keep it away from the end boards rather than one end resting against an end stop board.   That setup of course gets a bit more dangerous with the possibility of things flying away.   Good luck with all this.   

TinselKoala

Quote from: e2matrix on October 15, 2013, 12:13:24 PM
Well I guess some guys here can't read or didn't read the text below the video.   Firstly Tom is an old guy who has been at this device a long while.   He states below the video that he clamped AROUND the wire not onto it after the camera was away from the actual wire that he was temporarily clipped onto.   In case you haven't noticed Tom doesn't have the steadiest hands (something that often comes with age) so I admire that he is still at this and forgive an occasional mess up when clipping around a wire :)     As for why he's measuring around the voltmeter lead well that's something I might even question.   

I can and do always read the descriptions of YT videos (unlike people who comment on mine!). I can also see perfectly clearly in the video itself that the wire is in fact clamped ONTO, not around, the VOLTMETER wire.

Regardless of that, why is there supposed to be any current at all in this wire? No voltmeter that I know about will allow any measurable current to flow through it. If it did, it wouldn't be much good. The whole idea of a voltmeter is that it is a very high impedance device. It allows only the very smallest current to go _through_ it. This is why you can stick the probes into your wall socket and not trip your circuit breaker or blow up your fuses or your voltmeter!

Let's hear an explanation of why he is able to measure current in a voltmeter lead, when there should not be any.  Then let's hear an explanation of why the video clearly shows the clamp ON the wire not around it, and then he cites _that_ measurement (obtained after many button presses showing other values), if he later used another wire.

Or if you prefer, you can just ignore these issues and attack me instead.

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I think Magluvin has some good suggestions to try running it looped with batteries or a big capacitor.   That will stop a lot of the whining here if it can be run that way.   If it's only consuming 8 or 9 watts a couple very small batteries should do the trick and when it's been running a week you definitely got something.   Or use a big cap or caps.   I know Tom is not trying to scam anyone.   I know he believes he has overunity and he may indeed have but that video does leave some room for improvement on showing the device.   

What he believes is one thing. Making claims that are unsubstantiated, and _asking for money_ based on those claims, is entirely something else.
The video shows that he cannot make appropriate measurements, or he has a voltmeter that does something nobody else's does. Or perhaps both. What it most emphatically does _not_ show is any credible evidence for his claims, nor any justification for his asking for money or offering something for sale _under false pretences_.

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   Tom,  you might also want to consider magnet suspension bearings that may get you even higher RPM.   I've seen some on youtube but never quite like an idea I've got.   Same setup as most but opposing magnets at the end of your axle and on both end boards to keep it away from the end boards rather than one end resting against an end stop board.   That setup of course gets a bit more dangerous with the possibility of things flying away.   Good luck with all this.   

What you suggest as magnetic suspension bearings will not work. It has been tried many times by many people. Unless it is actively stabilized by an electronic control circuit and electromagnet, or by the use of diamagnetic materials,  one end of the axle must bear against a fixed surface. That is why you've never seen one "quite like" the idea you've got: it can't be done, and this is actually provable mathematically (Earnshaw's theorem.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_levitation