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Overunity Machines Forum



Building a self looping "SMOT"

Started by elecar, October 08, 2013, 03:34:35 PM

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MileHigh

Tinman:

Don't worry about the cricket ball attracting everything, and the magnet only attracting metal.  It does not affect the outcome of the experiment.  You are making points but I am not addressing a lot of them because we are talking basic fundamentals here.

If I hold a metal ball in my hand and raise it up in the air, then the gravitational potential energy of the ball relative to the center of the Earth goes up.  If I lower the ball in my hand then the gravitational potential energy of the ball relative to the center of the Earth goes down.

If I hold a metal ball in my hand and move it away from the cricket ball, then the gravitational potential energy of the ball relative to the cricket ball goes up.  If I move the metal ball closer to the cricket ball, then the gravitational potential energy of the ball relative to the cricket ball goes down.

If I hold a metal ball in my hand and move it away from a big magnet, then the magnetic potential energy of the ball relative to the big magnet goes up.  If I move the metal ball closer to the big magnet, then the magnetic potential energy of the ball relative to the big magnet goes down.


Have a look at those three statements and contemplate them.  Each statement is true and makes perfect sense if you get it.  You have to understand the concept of magnetic potential energy being a function of position.  It's exactly the same thing for gravitational potential energy, it's a function of position.

Going back to what I said in my previous posting, "When the ball rolls towards the end of the track in your mind you actually know that it's "rolling downhill" even though your eyes see it rolling up a physical hill."

When you see the ball rolling up the ramp, when you keep in mind all the time that the ball has both gravitational and magnetic potential energy and you can't ignore either of them, then the ball is going down in energy when it rolls up the ramp.

Do you understand this and agree with this?   Anybody that is trying to follow has to get this point to move on to the next step.

MileHigh

MileHigh

For people that get this concept then you realize there is already a big twist to the story and you might be surprised.

You look at the ball and see it rolling up the ramp due to the magnets and say, "See, magnets are a source of energy."

The ironic thing is exactly the opposite is going on from what you first thought.  The ball is not really getting energy from the magnets and going up in energy.  To your surprise, when you factor everything in, the ball is actually going down in energy.

It may be counter-intuitive at first glance but it is really understandable and clear as a bell if you put your preconceptions aside and really think about what is going on.

norman6538

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""  But no one has demonstrated net ball rise.""

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Not true Norman

From Guyulas Naudin link

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/smotidx.htm

The chart says the ball started at 31 mm and ended at 30mm.
By my calculations that is not a net ball rise.

If and when I get mine working I will use a colored water level (colored water in a clear tube)
to show the ball start and ball stop against the colored water level so there is no dispute about the ball rising.

Norman



powercat

@ webby1
You do realize that nobody is offering a prize of $2000 for a successful replication, and on that subject I thought by now you would be running your home on Wayne Travis's devices , what's wrong, successfully replicating one over unity device wasn't enough for you ?
When logic and proportion Have fallen
Go ask Alice When she's ten feet tall

minnie

Trouble is with the ramp video is that the girl is placing the ball by hand which is adding energy
and gravity is the escape mechanism which is losing energy and you end up with nothing.
  According to Red Sunset, ask Wayne Travis, he knows about asymmetry!
                      John.