Building a self looping "SMOT"

[tinman]

Thats the spirit guy's-lets throw in the towl because others have failed.
Evolution or creation???- neither proven or disproven.
Bark all you want about laws that are not set in stone,but i for one will not give up because of others failures. It's my time,so let me waiste it as i see fit-if you believe that is what im doing?.
I thought the whole idea of these forums,was to go against the grain,and find those anomalies that are yet to be discovered?,and allow people to post there belief's.
If we all agreed on thing's,then there wouldnt be many new discoveries made-our world would still be flat.
Like you said TK,the answer for the wright brothers was flying around the skies for million's of years. But there were still many that thought heavier than air machines would never fly.
As far as the thread go's,it hasnt veered off topic at all. The thread is about a looped SMOT device,which is exactly what we have been discusing.
Have you seen a magnetic field repel a steel ball? What would be the outcome if the ball was repelled out of the ramp by the magnetic field when it was falling?.

Yes many have tried and failed,but to many doors still to open on this one.
To date,you and MH are correct as it stands now,in that no one has been successful in looping a smot. But hopefully that will change soon.
So is my head on your chopping block,simply because i dont agree with what yourself and MH are saying? Do i have to agree with the big gun's to be seen as a valid experimenter that could contribute to forums like this?.

I have great respec for you,MH and many others here,but that dosnt stop me from trying thing's myself,and it dosnt mean i am going to agree with everything you and others have to say. I have seen to many thing's through my own experiments,that go against what was said to be possible,so now i prefer to disprove thing myself through my own build's.

[lumen]

@TK

If you are correct and the magnetic field makes the ball fall slower, then one can assume that the energy lost in the fall would be exactly the same as the energy gained in raising the ball and this is the point where all SMOT ramps will fail.

[gyulasun]

Hi elecar,

You seem to be silent I hope you are still around?  With your silence you only feed negative opinions.

About 10 days ago you mentioned retaking a video and upload it, please continue and show it. Afterall, you wrote in Reply #193: 

"Hi powercat, I really do not mind the skeptics taking part in the thread, I do take exception to being called a scam, fraud, liar when those skeptics have not even given me enough opportunity to show the effect working.
I have never asked anyone here for anything, I have already said it, but not now and not in the future. There is nothing here for sale."

And on your own setup you wrote in Reply #194:

"Hi happyfunball, I am not a scientist, I barely understand the concept of CoE or 2LOT, I played with magnets trying to get a conventional SMOT to work, I was inspired by Bills videos. During the course of trying it out I noticed strange (to me) behaviour when one side of the magnet array was removed. I toyed with it until I got the ball to rise to the top of the ramp and then roll back out of the ramp whilst still in the magnetic field.
I do not know what it is classed as, I tried to find out by posing a question on another thread which disintegrated in pretty much the same way as this one.
Here is my take as best as I can describe and my own understanding. The magnets can "pull" the ball up a ramp.
The ball is able to reverse and escape the field of that ramp from a height greater than it started. So in this case magnets = up - gravity = down.
All the threads I ever read said pretty much the same thing, "a smot can not be looped because the ball always leaves the ramp at a height equal to or lower than the point it started."
That was not what I was experiencing when using the effect instead of the conventional smot ramp with 2 arrays.
One thing I can tell you is that when making any application you must steer clear of  OU or perpetual because it will not even be entertained. And that is why I have never and still do not claim either."

This is clear enough, your setup is not the usual SMOT, so please do continue your work here.       Your statement from above: "I noticed strange (to me) behaviour when one side of the magnet array was removed. I toyed with it until I got the ball to rise to the top of the ramp and then roll back out of the ramp whilst still in the magnetic field."  sounds significant and especially the second half of your sentence is perhaps the most crucial point in your setup. 

Surely there are some members and other readers here who still give you the benefit of doubt. However, with your silence the number of those people will gradually run out and your setup remains a daydream.

rgds,  Gyula

[truesearch]

@elecar:


Yeah, I second what @gyulasun says. There are some of us still watching this thread to see what you will share next. Don't ignore us   
Of course, feel free to ignore the negative detractors. 


truesearch

[Michael Q Shaw]

@TK

If you are correct and the magnetic field makes the ball fall slower, then one can assume that the energy lost in the fall would be exactly the same as the energy gained in raising the ball and this is the point where all SMOT ramps will fail.

To be honest, I could care less how fast or slow the ball falls, so long as it escapes that first propelling field and delivers it to the starting position of another.