Building a self looping "SMOT"

[truesearch]

Oh, I see. I hadn't rationalized the effect of the underlying magnet and the ball being attracted at the DROP down toward B in my previous diagram ~ and that would be the "sticky" spot. Thanks for that info.


@elecar: did you try having a "bump" so that the ball would be directed toward the return-downhill ramp? I've attached another drawing below.


And maybe this isn't a concern at all. I'm only considering the need for a no-energy-wasted method of directing the ball down around the tear-drop track.


truesearch

[telecom]

Hi elecar,
I think your teardrop idea is great, but I don't see how the ball travels back under the gravity towards the junction point,
since it has to go against the magnets which pulled it up against the gravity.
Won't it get stuck, or there is some other trick which is "patent pending"?

[elecar]

Hi truesearch see my reply at the top of this page, I did not use a bump I used an acrylic wedge and it did not work.

[elecar]

Hi elecar,
I think your teardrop idea is great, but I don't see how the ball travels back under the gravity towards the junction point,
since it has to go against the magnets which pulled it up against the gravity.
Won't it get stuck, or there is some other trick which is "patent pending"?

Hi telecom, the effect is self explanatory, as the ball reverses in the magnetic field (see video) it moves from the strongest part of the field toward the weakest.
As it reverses under gravity it is still in the magnetic field, but which way is it going ? Is it being pulled up from the influence of the magnets ? or is it traveling backwards under the force of gravity ? Which one is having the greatest influence ?
When it is in the weaker part of the field it is diverted, gently away from the magnetic field and on to the downward incline. Gravity then takes it back to the start.

Remember the drawings here are a guide, you need to keep the two sections of track from the junction as close as possible until you are in that weak field. There are no "tricks" you just have to get the magnets and junction right, it took me months to get it right.

[lumen]

This device is carefully balanced and when you take power out you upset that balance
and risk stopping it entirely.
Think about this. Where is the energy? It can only be from the normal stopping point of
a pendulum where the magnets lift the ball further along to the where it runs out of
inertia and the small attraction force and gravity wins again and the ball drops. So its only the gravity power  at that small distance where it drops to its starting point.
Lets say you scale this up to the size of a one car garage with a big ball. With proper timing I think you could take a small amount of power out without destroying the balance but nothing in the order of significant horsepower - maybe light a small light or something.
HOWEVER - anything at all will disturb the establishment greatly.....

If Elecar simply turns a tiny fan or something he will be out in front of the other horses in this race.  Yeah Elicar!!!! So this is small like the sputnik satellite but major.

Norman

Hi Norman,

If you just scale it up, then the energy gain would remain proportional and likely very small.
The idea is to understand what is the principal that allows this to work at all, and work to increase the cause.

I might need to build this to work on the principal behind it, but off hand I think it depends greatly on the magnets used. Not so much the type, but the shape.
My reasoning is that it may be much easier to build a working device using magnets 2" square x .12" thick so the attracting array would be 2" x 8" rather than something narrow like 1" x 8".

The idea would be to enter the ramp with three edges pulling on the ball causing good acceleration, then somewhere close to the center, only two edges would be pulling on the ball with less force.  This is what helps it to achieve breakaway from the magnets near the center of the ramp where the attraction is less.

Of course, this is only my guess and only elecar knows for sure, but I am working to find the logic as this entire concept in itself is impossible but there it is!