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Overunity Machines Forum



Building a self looping "SMOT"

Started by elecar, October 08, 2013, 03:34:35 PM

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mrsean2k

Quote from: TinselKoala on November 21, 2013, 02:53:32 PM
True that last part, but the first part is not entirely correct.
It is conceivable (in dreams) that the "free energy" coming in could equal the system's losses at some speed before the ball flies off the track, and then the ball will maintain a constant speed, or at least a constant loop time, around the track. You can check my latest video for an illustration of this. I'm putting in just the same amount of energy that is being dissipated in losses, so the ball reaches and maintains a constant loop time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CKf5dUBmIU
This apparatus, with some extra smoothing and levelling, now maintains a consistent loop time of under 2 seconds. I've seen loops of under 1.7 seconds and haven't yet had the ball fly off the track.

And in answer to "where's elecar"... he's posting garbled links in another thread to Yet Another Battery-Powered Free Energy Device. Not quite what he promised, is it?

ETA: The Tornzee video on the train track, _ad supported_ and comments disabled, is definitely fake, you can even see the splice point as the ball passes thru the 9 o'clock position. Forget the ball and watch the color of the purplish blot at top left.

WRT your interesting SNOT, as I have been banned from comment these last few years, Ill stick one here if its not too OT;

Deslomeslager of a week ago was the first thing that springs to mind; in anything except a straight parallel track, there will not only be rolling friction, but the bearing will be dragging / slipping on one side or the other and effectively rotating in a plane parallel to the board. Its attempting to travel a different distance on each side after all, about 6cm difference for rails of radius 19cm and 20cm for instance.

As the magnet lifts the ball slightly out of the track, the friction / dragging will be reduced on the opposite side for a period.

I think that also suggests an easy way to test; if you try the same experiment with a track of much smaller / much larger radius, the difference in distance on either side will change, and the relative effect of the magnet will be increased / reduced as the tendency to twist changes.

There would come a point where the magnet will actually scrub more energy off the ball as it will induce a twist with corresponding increased drag where there would have been none (and eddy currents as already mentioned). I think.

LibreEnergia

Since Elecar never got back to me with a video I would consider genuine I have posted the faked video here http://youtu.be/SIL_MiuFmHE on you tube. You don't even need to analyse it to the extent that I did. Evidence of the splice is visible simply by viewing it.

conradelektro

Quote from: LibreEnergia on December 09, 2013, 07:39:03 AM
Since Elecar never got back to me with a video I would consider genuine I have posted the faked video here http://youtu.be/SIL_MiuFmHE on you tube. You don't even need to analyse it to the extent that I did. Evidence of the splice is visible simply by viewing it.

I looked at the video again and I can see the identical sequences.

It is a shame, Elecar did interesting research but his will to do the impossible overtook him and he got a bit carried away.

He tried to back paddle by saying he never said that it is a true self looping SMOT, just many rounds. He talked of about 12 to 20 rounds, which was again over confident.

So be it, may be he comes back and shows what he realy has. It might be good, if not OU.

I wish people were a bit more realistic. Many interesting things are presented, but it is very bad how fast people jump to irreal conclusions.

Greetings, Conrad

maw2432

What "I"  found interesting about this approach was the use of the "back" energy that elecar refered to in his posts.  I hope he comes back and shows us a working smot.
Bill

Pirate88179

Quote from: conradelektro on December 09, 2013, 03:36:10 PM
I looked at the video again and I can see the identical sequences.

It is a shame, Elecar did interesting research but his will to do the impossible overtook him and he got a bit carried away.

He tried to back paddle by saying he never said that it is a true self looping SMOT, just many rounds. He talked of about 12 to 20 rounds, which was again over confident.

So be it, may be he comes back and shows what he realy has. It might be good, if not OU.

I wish people were a bit more realistic. Many interesting things are presented, but it is very bad how fast people jump to irreal conclusions.

Greetings, Conrad

Conrad:

I really admire your attitude.  You appear to be a really good guy.  I agree with your observations of this saga.  Sometimes folks feel they are so close to getting it that they fudge a bit.  I forgive this much easier than someone who wants to sell something that does not work to other unsuspecting persons.  It is still sad but, I agree with what you posted.

Bill
See the Joule thief Circuit Diagrams, etc. topic here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6942.0;topicseen