Building a self looping "SMOT"

[LibreEnergia]

I believe this is a fraud in the making.

'elecar' make have discovered a way to loop a SMOT a few times by giving the ball some gravitational potential energy to start with , but it will stop once friction bleeds that excess away. Interestingly this would probably work better without the magnet in place.

His description of on-going self-looping is pure fantasy in my opinion.

Post a video of it working or withdraw your claim. You have nothing to loose as your patent application is sufficient IP protection already, if it works.

[JouleSeeker]

 

    As I mentioned earlier, this document points to a "hidden" momentum associated in particular with non-conducting permanent magnets such as used by elecar:

http://www.physics.princeton.edu/~mcdonald/examples/mansuripur.pdf


Note that Dr. Kirk McDonald is writing from Princeton University and has written a number of papers on momentum associated with magnetic fields.
I especially urge TK and Conrad and now LibreEnergia to read and comment.  It is an eye-opener! 
 

[LibreEnergia]

 

    As I mentioned earlier, this document points to a "hidden" momentum associated in particular with non-conducting permanent magnets such as used by elecar:

http://www.physics.princeton.edu/~mcdonald/examples/mansuripur.pdf


Note that Dr. Kirk McDonald is writing from Princeton University and has written a number of papers on momentum associated with magnetic fields.
I especially urge TK and Conrad and now LibreEnergia to read and comment.  It is an eye-opener! 

Not really, Section 2.7 of that document discusses what physical situations such a paradox might apply to, and nothing in that description applies here.

[JouleSeeker]

Below is a direct quote from the scientific paper I cited, the concluding sentence, which seems does apply here since Elecar uses only "non-conducting magnet(s)", C8 magnets to be specific.  And note that several other papers by Kirk McDonald of Princeton address the same paradox and the issue of "hidden momentum" associated with such magnets - and with neutrons.

If you really understand these papers, you should explain why Dr McDonald makes the concluding statement that

"the most practical realization of the present example would involve magnetic fields due to intrinsic (Amperian) magnetic momentums, such as associated with a nonconducting permanent magnet..."

Why are "nonconducting permanent magnet"s special?  Or of course, you may wish to refute Dr McDonald's conclusion. 

I await your explanation.

[conradelektro]

If elecar has this working, then it's possible that he does not know exactly why it is working or the exact effect that enables it to operate.

It could be the ceramic magnets, the order of the sizes, the direction of the poles or many other reasons.

I have the impression that most of the people who claimed the impossible in this forum (or in other OU-forums) did not know what caused the effect they observed.

And I always observed that the inventors only had one working prototyp.

The obvious thing to try for an inventor is to reproduce his own invention. And during reproduction one could find out which parts are essential and which parts can be replaced by known alternative solutions.

So, the way to go for our SMOT-Wunderkind would be to build two more working SMOTS. This can not be that expensive.

An even better way would be to disclose everything in order to have more people experimentimng and observing. Of course this raises the age old question of how to make money without patents and all that capitalistic crap.

As I so often said, the chances to make money are very slim, particularily in the OU-field. By disclosing an "invention" the inventor would find out very fast whether he is deluded or not. This is a guaranteed benefit which saves a lot of money and hussle. But we all dream about the ultimate success, although it never comes for 99,9999999999% of us. May be that is the reason why we see no progress in the OU-field?

But this time it is the real thing! Hang on, the impossible has happened! Finally the big moment is there! Only a few more months, a few more things to add and we have got it! The perpetuum permanent magnet machine! Or is it?

Greetings, Conrad