Building a self looping "SMOT"

[JouleSeeker]

Tinman:

A smot dosnt have to loop to show work being done.We would only have to show the ball come to rest outside the smot [i.e., outside any magnetic-field trap],at a higher level than it started at.

Right (as I've noted before).  And to me such an observation -- I'm still waiting for a solid observation of this -- would strongly evidence that a previously-untapped source of ENERGY is entering the picture.  No laws of physics would then be violated, just some people's opinions that "there are no more sources of energy to be found."

[MileHigh]

Tinman:

Let's try to look at the problem in another way.

You take the ramp and remove all of the magnets.  You know the ball will not roll up the ramp.  Imagine it's in front of you on a table.

I have to ask, do you know about the Universal Law of Gravitation?  Supposing that we have a very large mass, millions of tons in the size of a cricket ball.  The ball would create it's own localized gravitational field, and you can even pretend that you could feel it.  It feels like what holding a magnet in a magnetic field feels like, but there is no magnet in your hand.  The ball is literally attracted to your hand itself.  You feel a moderate tug when you put your hand on the super heavy cricket ball that weighs millions of tons.

So go back to your ramp.  Suppose we put the super heavy cricket ball at the end of the ramp.  So now, it makes sense that the ball rolls up the ramp because there are two gravitational attractions pulling on it.  There is a downward pull from the Earth, and a sideways pull from the super heavy cricket ball.  So, the ball rolls up the ramp because the cricket ball has enough pull to do that.

Can you imagine doing the same test now?  Dropping the ball on the left, and having it roll up the ramp towards the cricket ball and then repeat.

Can you agree with what I said so far?

MileHigh

[MeggerMan]

JouleSeeker,
I have to agree with MileHigh, the video shows the drop point exit level well below the start point and it is this difference in height that allows the ball to escape the magnetic field. 


Hopefully what Elecar has shown is that you can roll part way back into the centre of the field where the strength is less intense and escape using some momentum and more downhill track.
I have some more materials now and hope to build a full track using thin aluminium flat bar (2mm x 11.5mm x 1m) 2 of.


One thing I have noticed in my experiments is that the ball is magnetised through its axle point as it rolls up the track and causes it to keep a fixed orbital rotation - if that makes sense, almost as if the ball was barrel shaped.
When it rolls back down the track and curves out to the exit track then this should cause it to try to rotate clockwise slightly if looking from above.  This in turn may assist with the field escape.


Meggerman

[JouleSeeker]

Tinman:
Right (as I've noted before).  And to me such an observation -- I'm still waiting for a solid observation of this -- would strongly evidence that a previously-untapped source of ENERGY is entering the picture.  No laws of physics would then be violated, just some people's opinions that "there are no more sources of energy to be found."

Meggerman:

the video shows the drop point exit level well below the start point

Agreed, and that's why I clearly stated in my previous post,

" I'm still waiting for a solid observation of this

referring to:

.We would only have to show the ball come to rest outside the smot [i.e., outside any magnetic-field trap],at a higher level than it started at.

I haven't seen that "higher level" after exit YET. 

Are you saying that a "higher level" after exit  is impossible?

[lumen]

If one takes a single large magnet (2 x 2 ) and places it under a sheet of plexiglass, then when a steel ball is released just inside it's pull, the ball will travel to the magnet with increasing speed, then across the magnet to the other side then back again the the front edge crossing the much weaker field at the center of the magnet twice.

This effect is what I originally believed might enable a working SMOT.

Is there enough energy gained, that when the ball reaches the weaker center of the magnet, for the ball to escape attraction.
Possible? I don't believe so, but it's at least a theory of operation.