Building a self looping "SMOT"

[MileHigh]

Tinman:

For the steel ball repelled by the magnetic field, I don't view that as a counter argument.  It's an unrelated example and if you could link to a clip that would be appreciated.  For the subject at hand, do you agree that the ball is being drawn into a magnetic field with increasing strength?  As far as the textbooks go, have you read them to be sure?  Experimenters can make "discoveries" and usually there is a logical explanation.  What's more important is to remember the basics.  When you look at the ball rolling around in energy terms, the way you look at the magnetic fields can change if you want to simplify things.  Magnetic fields in this case just act like a local unusually shaped gravity field.  You go up and down in energy in the magnetic field and in the gravity field.  The change in field potential is converted into kinetic energy.  The friction is a constant drain on the kinetic energy.

To get around the track so that the thing runs continuously you are constantly monitoring the energy state of the ball in the hope that it gets back to the starting gate at the same or greater energy.  You can measure this stuff yourself.  You know the weight of the ball, you can analyze video frames to measure speed and acceleration, you know the acceleration due to the ramp, you can measure it's height, and so on.  All this stuff about the energy analysis is what has to be met for the thing to run.  So the track lifts the ball up but the energy situation is constantly going down unless you can make energy come from nowhere or pulse the ball with a triggered coil for a fun demo.  The ball ultimately heats up the room.

I am not suggesting anybody do this unless they were truly interested.  You will find that your measurements will pretty much fall in line with predicted theory.

MileHigh

[MileHigh]

Tinman:

For your video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VN6KWM8Rbc

Just for a change of pace since I am often asked to explain things, can you give us your comments first?

As far as the electromagnets doing work while keeping the brick floating in space go's-my answer is yes. But you must have the ability to stand back,and see everything that is happening to know why i answered yes-i wonder how many can do that.

The electromagnets only do work to lift the brick, after that they do no work.  The only work that is being done after the lift is to overcome the electrical resistance of the coils to keep the current flowing.

There is a very simple and elegant thought experiment that explains this.  At the start, you do electrical work to create the magnetic field and lift the brick.  Then imagine after that, that the coils are superconducting coils.  So after the current starts flowing you simply short the superconducting coils into closed loops and the brick remains floating.  See, no electrical work being done and the brick remains suspended in the air.

MileHigh

[TinselKoala]

Think about what you just said to me, I have been wrong before, yes I am human, but I feel that it is you that is wrong this time around TinselKoala.  When you hammer in a nail, you are doing the work with the muscles in your arm and using your energy.  In my example, the Juno spacecraft is not connected to any arm or muscles, it is in the vacuum of space...with nothing connected to it at all, so the only correct response is that gravity did the work when it increased its velocity while it sling-shot using earths gravity, not Earth's arm.  Saying otherwise is only lying to ourselves. That is what actually happened, regardless if textbooks (or our equations) agree.

Don't listen to a Newbie like me, all of you professors know everything there is to know somehow.

Sounds to me like you are claiming to know more than the professors who wrote the textbooks and equations.

I'm not a professor, but I know what I know because I studied the works of others, not "somehow". The process is very definite, intensive, years long, costly, reviewed and assessed by peers and superiors along the way. It's called a "university education". Very different from "somehow".

You do realize, I hope, that a spacecraft undergoing a gravitational slingshot is in _free fall_ the whole time. If you were aboard it, with no windows, you would never even feel it, you'd be floating the whole time in zero-g. Pretty funny way for a "force doing work" to act.

[TinselKoala]

There is no sticky point when you exit through the width.  it drops right out.  Just the proof anyways...TinselKoala, Oh, your name is so cute.

And yet.... nothing you can do will cause your system to self-loop, as you are finding out to your continuing frustration. I can feel it in your desperate comments.

Let's see... what could that "Q" mean. Quimby? That's pretty cute. Quincy, like the medical examiner? Quentin... that's probably it, like San Quentin or Quentin Tarantino. I'll bet you got a real ration of teasing when you were in grammar school. Or Quinn... the mighty Quinn, Quinn the Esquimo.....
lol.

[JouleSeeker]

  Experimenting with the SMOT devices is evidently time-consuming, and I congratulate those who persevere like Michael Shaw (where is elecar?)

  In 2011, Bill Mehess did SMOT work, and claims (see vid) 1/8" rise from the input to the exit height...
but no self-looping (he tried).

Here is the youtube link.
http://youtu.be/wKC1i3PCtpQ

I can now exit the SMOT down the uchannel at a greater height than the entry height.
Bill