Building a self looping "SMOT"

[TinselKoala]

Quote LibreEnergia: I don't doubt that there are untapped energy sources waiting to be found.
Quote LibreEnergia: However I would draw the line at devices such as SMOTs and other magnetic or gravity based devices.

An oxymoron post,and would only be true if both magnetism and gravity were fully understood-which they are not,and that is fact.

Here is another fact. The ball will loose some kinetic energy as it make's the 90* turn at the bottom of the exit ramp. I have posted the question many time's-where in the smot device lies the potential to almost eliminate this loss,without effecting any of the potential energy within the system. Neither you Libre,TK or MH have seen this gain.

And neither have you, you only falsely assume that you have.
The question isn't how to eliminate the loss, but rather "where is the gain". You can eliminate all the losses like the one you are (falsely) worried about and you STILL cannot self-loop because THERE IS NO GAIN MECHANISM.

Insted we get 1 posting statements that are unfounded,in that neither magnetism or gravity are fully understood.

I never said magnetism and gravity are fully understood. What I said, if you actually read and think about my post, is that we understand them _pretty darn well_ and and I will say further that we use them in ways that utterly refute your false assumptions. Read up on the Cassini mission!

2-some one who spends more time looking for others errors,and trying to disprove the experimenter.

Is this a reference to me? Would you like to continue in your silly errors or would you like someone to point them out to you if you don't find them yourself? And I am not trying to "disprove the experimenter" because so far, there is NOTHING TO DISPROVE... has someone presented a self-looping SMOT, or not? I have yet to see one, and neither have you seen one, in spite of the claims made by elecar and others. On the contrary, I am demanding that people who make claims must present evidence for those claims. Where is your evidence of any gain in any of the SMOT systems? Nowhere but in your false assumptions.

And 3-one who mocks a fellow forum member-experimenter by posting funny pictures,purely because that fellow member can see something they did not.
Here is another fact. You guys are stuck in the here and now,and seem to have no room for exspansion-that is until some one else come's up with the solution to the problem. You base every conclusion on what is known only today,and have no room for change on todays science.

And because you guys like to deal with fact's,here is another fact.
lets look at the yildis magnet motor.Now i also have my doubt's about this-just so as you know. But i (nor anyone else here)can or have proven that his claims are faulse,and that the motor dosnt work. And this fact is based on the reality that magnetism isnt  yet fully understood-right along with gravity.
Our asumptions are base only on what we know today-another fact.
Only when you or some one else has taken the yildis motor apart and found the batteries,then to say that it dosnt work is only based around what we know so far-and we dont know all there is to know-fact.

@TK
As you love browsing post

Oh... I thought I should read every post in the thread. Sorry... maybe you can put a little disclaimer on the ones you don't want me to read.

and looking for peoples error's

They are hard to miss when they are so gob-smacking obvious, like "half the speed means half the KE".

lets have a look at some of yours

Please do. Please be sure, like I ALWAYS DO, to provide checkable outside references that support your analysis of my errors. So far... you haven't done so, you simply repeat your mistaken assumptions.

Quote to Chet: Water is not a fuel. In fact it is an "ash",

Wrong. Water is a fuel in it's raw product,the same as crude oil is the raw product of gasoline.The human body is a machine,and water is one of it's fuel sources in it's raw product.Carbohydrates contain equal parts of hydrogen, carbon, and oxygen,and water is the source of that hydrogen and oxygen.The good thing about burning or useing hydrogen and oxygen as a fuel,is like you stated-the ash is water. So we now once again have our raw fuel.What do you end up with once you have burnt your gasoline?.

You are defining "fuel" in a non-standard way. Water is NOT a fuel. It does not provide energy. It takes more energy to split water into H2 and O2 than you can recover by burning the hydrogen and oxygen together.  If you think otherwise, then perhaps you should write a thermodynamics textbook, because according to you they are all wrong. However.... the existing texts have strong experimental support. Where the experimental support for your assumptions? Nowhere.

Then there was your comment to me about the rock sitting on the ground dosnt get tired. Im guessing that is because it isnt doing any work. We can also say that it has no potential energy either. Well the same could be said for a bucket sitting on the ground. The bucket isnt doing any work,and has no potential energy. But if we combine the two,and place the rock in the bucket,the rock then has the potential to create energy-even though it isnt moving,and is still on the ground via the bucket that is also on the ground,and not moving.This potential energy the rock posses actual comes from the sun,and gravity.

This makes no sense to me. Go ahead and put a rock in a bucket, sitting on the ground. Now, show me it doing some work, powering something. Go ahead, it's simple enough according to you. I really really want to see this.

My point is guy's,that what seems impossable,can actualy become a reality-no mater how stupid it sound's.
What you need to do,is to open your mind a little,and start to look at what is actualy possable.
I mean,who ever has heard of a solar/gravity powered rock?.

Yes... start to look at what is _actually possible_. That is what I have been saying all this time. SMOT self looping is impossible, so don't waste your time, energy, creativity, etc. on it. There are sound physical reasons why it is impossible and nobody, nowhere, no time, has ever refuted those reasons.  Some things that we can think of are indeed impossible. Don't believe me? Then swim to Tasmania, nude, carrying a 200 pound block of concrete, and do it in three hours.  Why can't you? Open your mind a little. According to you it can actually become a reality, no matter how stupid it sounds.

You can swim, can't you? You can get nude. You can probably even carry a 200 pound block of concrete. And I know you can get to Tasmania in three hours. Now all you have to do is put them all together. Simple. I'll be waiting for your YT video.

[ramset]

MH
I would have to say that every single thing on this planet can be Fuel .all is locked into submission to a task ATM.
However There is a key to that task Lock [what makes a rock a rock],LENR Is merely a shadow of the possibilities and Methodology.

on another note more specific to the Topic and its plausibility
here is a man who claims a verifiable magnetic anomoly?
he wants to change the curriculum in our schools?

http://www.energy-ingenuity.com/index.html
Duncan has started a discussion over here
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/14534-use-force-luke-use-force.html

thx
Chet

[TinselKoala]

MH
I would have to say that every single thing on this planet can be Fuel .all is locked into submission to a task ATM.
However There is a key to that task Lock [what makes a rock a rock],LENR Is merely a shadow of the possibilities and Methodology.

on another note more specific to the Topic and its plausibility
here is a man who claims a verifiable magnetic anomoly?
he wants to change the curriculum in our schools?

http://www.energy-ingenuity.com/index.html
Duncan has started a discussion over here
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/14534-use-force-luke-use-force.html

thx
Chet

You can define things however you like, but the farther you stray from legitimate, agreed-upon definitions, the fewer and fewer people will understand you.

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short for nuclear fuel.
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synonyms:

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synonyms:

encouragement, ammunition, stimulus, incentive; Moreprovocation, goading "his antics added fuel to the opposition's cause"

verb: fuel; 3rd person present: fuels; past tense: fuelled; past participle: fuelled; gerund or present participle: fuelling; past tense: fueled; past participle: fueled; gerund or present participle: fueling1. supply or power (an industrial plant, vehicle, or machine) with fuel."the plan includes a hydroelectric plant to fuel a paper factory"

synonyms:

power, fire, charge More"power stations fueled by low-grade coal"

fill up (a vehicle, aircraft, or ship) with oil or gasoline.
(of a person) eat a meal."arrive straight from work and fuel up on the complimentary buffet"

2. cause (a fire) to burn more intensely.sustain or inflame (a feeling or activity)."his rascal heart and private pain fuel his passion as an actor"

synonyms:

fan, feed, stoke up, inflame, intensify, stimulate, encourage, provoke, incite, whip up; Moresustain, keep alive "the rumors fueled anxiety among opposition"

Middle English: from Old French fouaille, based on Latin focus 'hearth' (in late Latin 'fire').

Sorry, formatting in the original.

Water doesn't seem to be mentioned, except in the context of hydroelectric generation. And of course the fuel that gets the water behind the dam in the first place for that is the sun's nuclear reactions.

[Poit]

face it.. all of you... all everyone is doing in this thread is what i like to call 'mental masterbation'.... there will never be a video (or the real deal in any shape or form).. the END.. why waste your time aruging over something? its just stupid.

[TinselKoala]

MH
I would have to say that every single thing on this planet can be Fuel .all is locked into submission to a task ATM.
However There is a key to that task Lock [what makes a rock a rock],LENR Is merely a shadow of the possibilities and Methodology.

on another note more specific to the Topic and its plausibility
here is a man who claims a verifiable magnetic anomoly?
he wants to change the curriculum in our schools?

http://www.energy-ingenuity.com/index.html
Duncan has started a discussion over here
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/14534-use-force-luke-use-force.html

thx
Chet

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