Raphial Morgado and MYT™ Engine trick or treat

[markdansie]

A brief history of the swing piston engine


http://revolution-green.com/2013/11/02/raphial-morgado-myt-engine-trick-treat/

[markdansie]

Open response to Sterling

Sterling, I wrote a story in order to provide a history of the swing-piston 
engine and pose some questions which were open to you to respond to (and you 
have) to fully inform people before making a financial decision.
 
I did not get into name calling (Dansie's Demons)  or attacking people 
regarding their decision making and beliefs or right to express an opinion.
Unfortunately unlike on Revolution-Green you do not allow myself and many 
other people respond to your stories on site.
 
I rather have others have the opportunity to speak as part of any response.
My only comment is "show me the data"
The following are a sample of 8 from 72 comments at Revolution-Green. I have many emails as well supporting the story.
Kind Regards
Mark Dansie
(Darth Demon Dansie?)
 
1. Uli Kruger 
The response in this is pure fabrication:
 
Regarding: "Many people point to the DOD assessment of the engine. however it is a speculative assessment as it was not based on figured generated form live combustion testing. At best it was based on calculations on running compressed air through a swing piston compressor. Running an engine under its own combustion is at totally different dynamic. "
Response: Unlike Dansie, Lieutenant Colonel Brett Laboo of the Australian Department of Defense took into consideration that prior to being modified to run on compressed air, the 14" engine ran for 9 months (not continuously) on diesel and related fuels...
 
I happen to know Lieutenant Colonel Brett Laboo well (It's a small world, isn't it Stirling). I see him and talk to him on a regular basis. He confirmed to me the he has no knowledge of the engine ever running on fuel, nor has he taken this into consideration in his report. His assessment was entirely based on a power to weight ratio comparison with other known engine types based on figures supplied to him by Morgado. I can get him to post a statement confirming this, because he will not be happy if his name is used in conjunction with blatant misinformation.
 
2. Simon Derricutt
Sterling - I notice you're not allowing any comments on your riposte. 
Although the MYT engine is a nifty idea, the advantage is solely in the 
power to weight ratio. It will not produce more energy from the fuel it 
burns than any other piston engine, and will also produce the equivalent 
pollution. Given the difficulties in manufacture and the likely short life 
of the mechanisms and seals unless exotic materials are used (and a standard 
piston engine could also be likewise upgraded with such materials) it's not 
likely that it will ever be commercially viable. Mark D has shown above 
various takes on this basic idea, and the engineering problems have meant 
that the people buying engines have voted with their wallets and the fittest 
designs have survived. Industrial engineers tend to be good at their jobs 
(read RC Far's comments) and look at the whole picture.
 
3. ngepro
Excellent work.
Raphial has been around for a long time without a product. As you said, long 
on words, short on testing.
With many of these designs, sealing is a major problem. The Wankel engine is 
an example of that. Manufacturing cost due to tight tolerances could be 
prohibitive.
Use 1/3 the fuel for the same work? Highly doubtful. Typical gensets can 
obtain 30% efficiency.
Bring me the data from actual real world tests- not computer simulations.
 
4. Sepp_Hasslberger
Good article Marc, and timely. I have the same feeling about Morgado. He's 
been around for some years, but he has yet to show a functioning (really 
functioning with fuel being burned and torque being produced) prototype. So 
far, all we have seen is "I need more money to do this, and here is what 
it's going to be like..."
Let's see some real action.
 
5. TR M •
From what I understand the toroid design has been known since the 1930s in 
modern form but two major roadblocks have never been overcome. One is the 
timing which Mr. Morgado does hold patents on. Not being able to license 
them out does not mean it doesn't work but that brings me to point two. The 
100k+ RPM that is reported is a huge problem with this design. Always has 
been and always will be. I'm not saying they can't overcome it but that is 
going to be a lot of heat. Materials science may not be up to keeping an 
engine running at 100k+ RPM. So who needs to license a timing mechanism if 
the engine is going to melt? I've always liked the design but he really 
needs to get one running on fuel and get third party validation. Running on 
compressed air is great for demos but not realistic. One advantage to 
running on compressed air is that as air expands it cools. That could 
explain why his engines have never melted down or locked up during the 
demos. They are being cooled by the fuel (compressed air) but with liquid 
fuel you wouldn't have that. As to the other designs and the patents it all 
depends on who can claim what and where. Pre-existing artwork is the major 
downfall of all inventors. I wish him well and think the design is first 
rate cool but like I said he really needs to get a fuel based engine built 
and 3rd party validated.
 
6. humblemechanic
Has any of these engines run long enough for indicator diagrams to be taken? 
Was there any attempt to evaluate piston speed and acceleration? What is the 
effect of the long moment arm of the piston connecting 'rod' on the possible 
tilt of the piston in its bore? There seems to be a tortuous path for the 
combustion pressure to translate into torque on the
output shaft and the linkages are susceptible to amplify the vibrations and 
harmonics originating in the pistons starting and stopping. There could be 
perhaps some 'toggle' effect in the linkages and fulcrums to keep the piston 
stationary or allow it to creep in the 'favourable' direction if it must. I 
just can't see a 6 inch diameter MYT engine casing resisting the
massive torque of 100 HP even at 30 thousand RPM even if it did not seize or 
fall apart from vibration. At a more realistic speed of 800 RPM of the 14 
inch engine the over 850 foot-pounds torque reaction would distort the 
engine casing in a very short time. That is if the sealing and overheating 
problems did not stop it before.
 
7. Max
I think your point about commercial interests is spot on. Lately this has 
been an obvious feature of Sterling's articles, in between the monthly 
requests for donations. When you view it as an advertising site, it makes 
much more sense. Patrick Flanagan, Keppe, Raphial... - I could go back for 
years but you get the point.
Looking at the traffic to PESN and the way his recent attempts at generating 
revenue have fared, I think it's a safe bet that he'll have to move on to 
other things before long. 
 
8. Mark Euthanasius   
Sterling your responses are full of invalid logic, prevarication, and incorrect claims.
 
Raphial fails to get funding because Raphial cannot convince deep pockets that he offers adequate reward for the risk. It's not cognitive dissonance of one investor looking for another. It's a failure by Raphial to offer adequate collateral in the form of verifiable information. You ignore the fact that despite the idea for the swing piston / rotary vane going back many decades none have made it to market. The innovation that Raphial has patented does not address the problems that caused other efforts to fail. Raphial's patent narrowly covers his particular timing mechanism.
 
Reliable documents absolutely establish that Mikhail Virgiyanov is the real inventor of the swing piston engine that Yo-Mobile was going to use. You and Raphial got it wrong when you accused Yo-Moble of stealing Raphial's work. Note that Raphial did not get any lawyer to take on his patent infringement case on contingency despite prediction by both you and Raphial.
 
You continue to promote the fantasy that Raphial ran any MYT engine on fuel. Just as you were wrong about the creator of the Yo-Mobile engine, you are again wrong about this. You seem either unwilling or unable to read and comprehend the statements made by the witnesses you cite. Lous Faix is very clear that the tests he witnessed were air motored. Fuel (ether not Diesel) was admitted for brief periods, but the engine never ran on its own without being air motored. Those tests amounted to lighting a fire cracker in a tin can and then throwing it. How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you repeat the same false stories for years on end?
 
Now you offer nonsensical claims that since Raphial has an atomizer nozzle that he has a fueling system or absurdly that a fueling system is not necessary. A fueling system is absolutely necessary and requires all: injectors, a control system for the injectors, and sensors to feed that control system. Raphial has none of the above and never has had any of the above. Ask Raphial for any: pictures, video, or test reports while running as a combustion engine, that is not air motored and Raphial will be unable to oblige.
 
The remainder of your responses are non-responsive off in the bushes statements about what a genius Raphial is and how he can do anything. The fact is that Raphial has not done many of the things that he needs to do to show that any swing piston combustion engine is viable including most importantly one that uses his timing mechanism. $120K isn't going to get there. $12 million won't get there. $120 million probably would not get there.
 
If Col. Laboo believed that the MYT has ever been run as a combustion engine, then he is sadly mistaken. Let me repeat again: Raphial has never produced any evidence that the MYT has ever run on its own without being air motored. Even in your quotes from Raphial are admissions that the engines were never run as combustion engines. Raphial admits that he never installed fuel injectors necessary to run a Diesel engine. Louis Faix's report had ether as the fuel crudely admitted.
 

[Johan_1955]

Hi Mark,

So much talking: Its only a Two-Stroke engine design, it will never come there!?


Efficient comes with separate compression, combustion, ......... or Papp.


Regards, Johan

[markdansie]

@ Johan
I am inclined to agree with you on that
Mark

[happyfunball]

Amazing.