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Some Interesting Results with a 3 Phase Motor - 95 Watts Free?

Started by e2matrix, November 25, 2013, 05:52:44 PM

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e2matrix

I made some tests with a 3 Phase motor based on a PDF document written by Dan Combine titled 'Radiant Energy and Over-Unity'.
In this document he describes a test using a 60 watt light bulb and a 3 Phase motor.   In his test the 60 watt bulb used only an additional 6 (actually he lists 5.8 watts) watts over what the motor by itself uses.   It seems my test resulted in even more interesting results.   The bulb is wired with one wire on the AC input to the motor and the other wire across one of the legs of the motor not directly attached to the AC input (single phase 120 VAC).   


In my test the motor (1.5 HP) alone is using 355 watts going through a digital watt meter.  The motor has a roughly 60 uf capacitor across two legs and is wired as you would do in a Rotoverter setup. 


With the bulb attached to the motor the power dropped to 320 Watts!   I measured the RPM of the motor with and without the bulb on it and it was the same in both cases (1732 RPM).   I also noticed the bulb seemed brighter when it was on the motor than when it was just plugged directly into a socket.   So I grabbed a Lux Meter and measured in the same location and at the same distance with the bulb on the motor and then by itself.   When the bulb was directly plugged into 120 VAC with no motor in the circuit it was reading 730 Lux.  When on the motor this 60 watt bulb was putting out 3630 Lux while using less power than the motor running by itself !


One thing I did not understand in his description of this test was his statement that his 60 watt GE bulb stayed lit when he disconnected one of the wires.   That didn't work for my setup nor do I see how that would be possible with a 60 watt tungsten bulb to be lit with just one wire in this setup unless he was holding the bulb and somehow grounding one side of it.   But I'll take my results as being 'interesting' at the least. 


Summary:  3 Phase motor wired Rotorverter style running off single phase 120 VAC uses:  355 Watts.
                 3 Phase motor wired Rotorverter style running off single phase 120 VAC Plus 60 watt light bulb (putting out about 5 times
                 the Lux it normally does when running only off direct 120 VAC) uses: 320 Watts
                  Motor speed stays exactly the same : 1732 RPM
                  Power used by bulb alone measured as 59.8 Watts. 
                  Expected power draw would have been 415 Watts for motor plus bulb.
                  Measured power draw was 320 Watts for motor plus bulb. 
                  Test with bulb and motor running at same time  but with the bulb directly across the AC input to the motor: 420 Watts and lower   brightness (730 Lux). 

e2matrix

I also know my motor setup can be tuned to use much less power than it currently is drawing based on info from Rotoverter documents.   Motors even larger than this one have run on much lower wattage.   However the 60 Uf cap is the only one I have now that I think is safe to use with this motor.   I'll be scrounging for some more motor caps so if anyone knows a good cheap source please post here.   
More tests to come....

Off topic :   Does anyone find editing your posts very difficult here?   Entire page gets highlighted when you just want to change a sentence or you can't get things all on one line without messing up the formatting etc....

e2matrix

For anyone interested in the Radiant Energy and Over-Unity document by Dan Combine I put it up here in the Downloads area :
http://www.overunity.com/downloads/sa/view/down/541/
That document also shows the basic Rotoverter and capacitor wiring setup I'm using.

Since making the opening post I have tried a few more things and have gotten the motor to run now on 73 Watts by switching out the start capacitor after it's running with a smaller cap (run cap is about 5 uF).   It still runs at the same RPM.
Basic diagram of the setup described in the OP (doesn't show watt meter):

Magluvin

Thanks for the PDF.  ;)   Just glancing through looks pretty good.

Have you loaded the motor yet in comparison to normal running?

Mags

totoalas

USING GOTOLUCS SERIES CAP without the mot
i was able to reduce the current amp draw
source 12 v 60 ah battery
dc ac inverter   1000 w
load   ac electric fan
with out cap    5.76 dc amp before inverter
with cap    4.5 amps  befpre inverter
using 40 uf   300 v ac cap   in series with live wire
Maybe with mot from gotoluc   I can trim down the amp draw  for solar loading