Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped

[tim123]

(They don't call the lottery a "tax on the poor" for no reason.)

Most taxes are taxes on the poor...

I thought they called the lottery the 'tax on the stupid'...

[Grimer]

Just the ones who _don't_ win!

(They don't call the lottery a "tax on the poor" for no reason.)

And what about the ones that do win?


If someone offered you a free lottery ticket would you accept it?

[Grimer]

Oh come on Frank. You are citing a third party's report of a device that someone showed to an eight year old child, many years ago.

Of course, like all such devices, it is no longer available for inspection, and there exists no further information or evidence of its performance other than the report of an eight year old child, filtered through at least one other party.


Your standard of evidence is very deficient if you think that is evidence of anything at all other than an uncle's playing with some children.

OK, I'll admit the evidence is very weak. However, the thing that makes me wonder is those vortex charity boxes. You know, the ones that you put a coin down a slide and it rolls round the vortex faster and faster until it exits the bottom at high speed and gives the wall of the box a terrific whack.


It's the type of experiment someone with your manifest skills could easily conduct - if only to slay the myth which travels round the internet on sites like Peswiki.


It would be a fun demonstration and sure to enhance your reputation as Al, oops, as TinselKoala The Myth Slayer. ;-)

[TinselKoala]

The vortex boxes are fooling you too. The "high speed" at the bottom looks fast, but that's because the coin is going around a very tight circle. Actually, the tangential speed of the coin madly circling around at the bottom of the funnel is no higher than the vertical speed of a coin simply dropped from the starting height. The "miracle" is that the vortex funnel efficiently changes the velocity vector _direction_ of the "dropped" coin, so that at the bottom of the funnel, the coin flies off on the tangent of its circular motion and hits the wall of the container, instead falling straight down and hitting the floor. But the momentum of the coin is the same in each case (neglecting losses in the vortex "ramp"). Don't forget, as I momentarily did, that the coin is also launched into the vortex with some initial tangential speed by Mr. Hand.

Were this not so, I think you'd have a gravitational FE machine, since you could use the "extra speed" of the coin at the bottom of the funnel to make it climb a ramp back up to the start position, lather rinse repeat.

OK, I'll admit the evidence is very weak.

I can't resist pointing out that the evidence, in this case, is exactly as 'strong' as the evidence for the Tooth Fairy. The eight-year-old kid found a quarter (or maybe a shilling) under his pillow, the morning after he put a tooth under there, and many years later, told a friend of mine's cousin's uncle about it. And now I'm telling you. QED: the Tooth Fairy exists, by eye-witness account, unrefutable.

[Grimer]

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Were this not so, I think you'd have a gravitational FE machine, since you could use the "extra speed" of the coin at the bottom of the funnel to make it climb a ramp back up to the start position, lather rinse repeat.
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You would indeed have a gravitational FE machine - which is exactly my point.


You don't address the argument about the string pulling in the weight.


After all it's easy to demonstrate that pulling in the weight adds energy.  One only has to let a string pendulum swinging in a vertical plane impinge against a horizontal bar at the same time as the string is being pulled to see that the bob rises above its starting point.


I've actually carried out the pendulum experiment so I know it works.