Reactive power - Reactive Generator research from GotoLuc - discussion thread

[gotoluc]

At the power generating station the generators see an extra load for part of the cycle and then less of a load later in the sine wave cycle.
Like Farmhand has stated many times, this creates a back and forth AC current in the power lines dissipating heat for nothing.

So if you think a power generating station generators will see an extra load if I power my load at a power factor of zero can you or Farmhand then explain why when I connect the same load to my Generator (mini power generating station) the generators does NOT see an extra load.

Thanks for sharing

Luc

[gotoluc]

Just have a look at this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUChl7zRzTA
There doing it by converting the reactive power of Line 2 to real power at Line 3. At least this is what they claim.
Some time ago at realstrannik 2 members had a little dispute, one said: the major Korean brand are putting this technology into their devices for energy saving purposes. Disassemble it , he said and you will know how they do it. <Quote End>
And I guess he means samsung.
www.alibaba.com (If I find the exact Link I will post it here).
@GotoLuc
In your first video the voltage over the shunt is not a sine wave . Regardless the phase shift it should be, unless there is a nonlinear device in your circuit.
Simply connect your cap in series to the shunt and measure the voltage again. It should be a sine wave. (That means the shunt is a linear device) If it is so your 10 Ohms Resistor is the non linear device , with evt. negative resistance properties, which imo leads to an energy surplus.
But then the formula U^2 /R is not applicable for calculating output watts, because it implies U/I is a constant, which is not the case then. But if your shunt is linear input measurements are correct .But if you measure negative Input watts and the 10 Ohms resistor is getting hot you know you got ou. The circuit changes it's behavior consuming/spending when switched from the mains to the generator ; this thing has an operation point like a transistor. Find the right point and you get a benefit.

Great find on that video TheCell!

I don't understand why the sinewave is changed this way by the series cap, but it is. The only time I have seen a clean sine wave is when I was using a 220v MOT I have, which has a much higher Henry value then the 120v MOT's. However, it is now clear that the MOT is not needed and was actually wasting power in the core. The higher the Inductance the more the MOT core would heat which = less power to the load.

Thanks for sharing

Luc

[gotoluc]

Hi Luc

This message board is about OU. And what you are doing is providing the readers information to lead the way (or at least a possible way) to find this. We (as in everyone) are stuck in our thinking that what comes out must go in. We then hope there is a way to get OU, and join a message board like this one, to learn and do some brainstorming. To me you are a hero, because the info is right under our eyes, and yet we are discussing a signal being inverted or not. I know: measurements must be done and taken, in the end it is the proof of how it looks like. (not 'what it is', but 'how it looks like' since we hope to find an anomaly).

Most 'inventors' are not even thinking about sharing their ideas, so for you to come out in the open with all your research is really something. And again a thank is in its place, but I can only speak for myself, and I thank you. Even though the concept is very simple, I have saved all your videos. The fact and idea that I never had heard of such a simple way to efficiently use electricity is at least to say: remarkable. And I say this on behalf of the idea, not to perform any such thing. I would not even dare to, since I have solar panels and a big inverter on the grid (up to 2KWatt on a sunny day and in the summer), and I would not want to have that one get damaged. But the idea of using the energy storage in the coil of a generator is really great! And I really wish you had a bigger generator to test with. here in the EU we have 230 Volt, but then again we don't have much 110 Volt appliances here. But that should not be a problem, you don't need to power a 120 Volt motor, it can as well be a 12 or 24 Volt motor (after a FWBR), but I also believe an AC motor would benefit the most in this situation.

I am thinking of changing a vacuum cleaner motor. I am no good at mechanics at all, but it seems to me the fastest way to get an AC generator. I have two such motors, so if I fail at the first one I will get a second chance.

Personally I'd like to ask you to ignore whatever info you think is incorrect (what others write here). You are on a road to success, and any one that wants to ride with you can take a seat. I am sitting right behind you and hopefully it will take us 'there'. Also I have an idea to use as a load: just open a toaster and take out the wires. Most toasters are about 800 Watts, so you can easily choose a length of heating wire to get the right load (perhaps in parallel of course). My firsts tests using this were not positive, in the way that tuning is difficult, but the nice thing about this wire is that you can create any resistance you like by using alligator clips at the right spot.

To who reads this: this is not about power factor, or the theory behind it. This is about that one specific part of it, where the voltage and current are out of phase for 0.5 phi (90 degrees). We need to have some notes (findings) of people testing this. Luc has found out his generator has about 30 Watts which can be taken off of it without being a load. To draw conclusions we need more testing. And with generators, because playing with the grid is just for testing and learning. And it is a good thing to watch and see what other people do, like Stepanova. What I did see in Stepanova's story is that you need to have the load right and have the circuit in resonance. I have not (yet) been able to fully test what he did, but step one is to believe there is a way to OU. Who wants to join the ride: hop in. Please try to do some testing of your own.

If anyone wonders why I am not putting out any videos is because I am not tidy. I can set up a circuit between three or four other projects, having all wires cross each other. People would ask me to make clean videos, and that is not my thing. So I will just try to write about it. And if I have a tidy setup so every now and then, then I will do record it. And sorry for my long story, but as far as I can see and tell, Luc is doing real good things and he deserves a more positive approach from us. And this has also to do with intuition. Which is also a thing you cannot measure objectively, I know. But I do am one of those guys that afterwards will say: look, didn't I tell you?

Thanks deslomeslager for taking the time to write this post.

I'm happy to know of people experimenting with this.

I had to make a small edit to your post about a comment about the grid. A generator working with this circuit is the goal of this research.

Thanks for sharing and all the best with your experiments

Luc

[Farmhand]

I keep hearing from people with much knowledge that if the wave form is not sinusoidal the meters and the scope cannot calculate power properly.

It does not concern me if people take what I say for a grain of salt, my only objective is to show that some people see it another way.

This reminds me a lot of Thanes stuff and Gotoluc had a close relationship with Thane. I don't buy any of it I won't believe what makes no sense.

And eventually I will probably make some video's to demonstrate what I think is going on, after the holidays. I'm in no hurry, the deeper people dig the easier they are to bury.

I also noticed that series capacitors can change the wave form.

I have previously made a small transformer appear to show OU by manipulating the phase angle, and driven by a sine wave. Using a function generator and a RIGOL DS 1052E scope. I had a 90 degree difference of phase between voltage and current so a power factor of 0.0 but there was still output and most importantly there was still input.

Series capacitors are current limiters. For a given frequency and capacity only a certain current can flow.

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[poynt99]

The scope can and will provide an accurate measurement regardless of the waveform, PROVIDED that there is little to no parasitic reactance between the measurement points, in particular the CSR.

But most importantly:

Correct interpretation of the results comes down to a basic understanding of electrical/electronics theory. More often than not, the simplest most basic concepts elude not only the uninitiated, but even the so-called trained individuals. And we are witnessing this phenomenon here.

Claims are being made based on (to quote from my good pal TK) "numbers in boxes", as provided by the scope itself. "A negative MEAN power must mean that a net power is returning to the grid" is the song being sung by so many uninitiated here, and the truth is that this is not only incorrect, but they have no idea why they are even singing this song. None of them truly understand the concepts of power measurement and how the measurement of sources and loads differ, not to mention adequately understanding how to correctly use the measurement features in their oscilloscope.

The claims and "tutorial" demonstrations being made here are, sadly, full of follies. Stay tuned for some real tutorials.