Reactive power - Reactive Generator research from GotoLuc - discussion thread

[Farmhand]

Forest, Producing a continuous wave is only activity. No doubt a small input can build up a lot of activity and the increased activity can be applied all at once for effect, but then the small input needs time to rebuild the activity.

It is not possible for a circuit with say 10 Watts input to sustain activity of 100 Watts while outputting 100 Watts.

If 10 Watts is applied and activity is 100 Watts then if 100 Watts is drawn the activity will drop or the input will increase.

A 100 Watt continuous output is not possible with 10 Watts continuous input. 100 Watts continuous activity is possible with 10 watts continuous input.

With a 10 Watt input it may be possible to take 100 Watts intermittently but not continuously.

The fact remains in order to get out 100 Joules per second output then at least 100 Joules per second needs to be input from somewhere.

It is not possible to draw 100 Joules per second from a circuit with an input of 10 Joules per second. It is possible to draw 100 Joules in one second, every 10 seconds from an input of 10 Joules per second, not considering losses.

Hell I can use 10 joules per second input and draw off a 1000 joules in one second 1000 Watts, but only once every 100 seconds.

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Take for example a rail gun, if I have 0.5 Farad of capacitance and I charge it to 300 volts using 50 Watts it would take some wait time to charge but when done I would have 22500 Joules of potential energy, now if I discharge that over 1 second that is 22500 Watts, but if I discharge it over 0.5 of a second then it is 45000 Watts.

Energy cannot be taken from a circuit that did not enter it.

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Voltage is not energy, current is not energy, voltage x current is power but voltage x current is not energy. Power is not energy. Activity is not output.

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If I discharge 10 joules in 0.1 of a second then that is 100 Watts of power, if I discharge 10 Joules in 0.01 of a second then that is 1000 Watts of power.

It's easy to see Power is not Energy.

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[MileHigh]

It's important to remember that reactive power is just power being returned to the source later in the sine wave cycle.  The source does work to pump the reactive power (or energy per cycle) into the load at the beginning of the sine wave cycle.  Then the load does work to return the same power (or energy per cycle) back to the source later in the sine wave cycle.  Like Farmhand has stated many times, this creates a back and forth AC current in the power lines dissipating heat for nothing.

At the power generating station the generators see an extra load for part of the cycle and then less of a load later in the sine wave cycle.  It may be that they want the rotating generators to see a "normal" and even load through the entire sine wave cycle.  Too reactive a load may induce unwanted stresses in the giant rotating generators.  I am speculating here.

Big factories with lots of motors have power factor problems on a large scale.  So at the power entry point to the factory they install power factor correctors.  These are giant spinning drums with windings that bring the power factor for the factory as close to one as possible.  You end up with the reactive power going back and forth between the electrical motors inside the factory and the giant spinning drums.  The giant spinning drums are made to act like electrical capacitors because of the windings interacting with the heavy spinning mass.  This compensates for the very large inductive load from the motors.  I am making an educated guess here about the exact description of how the power factor correction system works.  This could be confirmed by doing the online research.

MileHigh

[deslomeslager]

Hi Luc

This message board is about OU. And what you are doing is providing the readers information to lead the way (or at least a possible way) to find this. We (as in everyone) are stuck in our thinking that what comes out must go in. We then hope there is a way to get OU, and join a message board like this one, to learn and do some brainstorming. To me you are a hero, because the info is right under our eyes, and yet we are discussing a signal being inverted or not. I know: measurements must be done and taken, in the end it is the proof of how it looks like. (not 'what it is', but 'how it looks like' since we hope to find an anomaly).

Most 'inventors' are not even thinking about sharing their ideas, so for you to come out in the open with all your research is really something. And again a thank is in its place, but I can only speak for myself, and I thank you. Even though the concept is very simple, I have saved all your videos. The fact and idea that I never had heard of such a simple way to efficiently use electricity is at least to say: remarkable. And I say this on behalf of the idea, not to perform any such thing. I would not even dare to, since I have solar panels and a big inverter on the grid (up to 2KWatt on a sunny day and in the summer), and I would not want to have that one get damaged. But the idea of using the energy storage in the coil of a generator is really great! And I really wish you had a bigger generator to test with. here in the EU we have 230 Volt, but then again we don't have much 110 Volt appliances here. But that should not be a problem, you don't need to power a 120 Volt motor, it can as well be a 12 or 24 Volt motor (after a FWBR), but I also believe an AC motor would benefit the most in this situation.

I am thinking of changing a vacuum cleaner motor. I am no good at mechanics at all, but it seems to me the fastest way to get an AC generator. I have two such motors, so if I fail at the first one I will get a second chance.

Personally I'd like to ask you to ignore whatever info you think is incorrect (what others write here). You are on a road to success, and any one that wants to ride with you can take a seat. I am sitting right behind you and hopefully it will take us 'there'. Also I have an idea to use as a load: just open a toaster and take out the wires. Most toasters are about 800 Watts, so you can easily choose a length of heating wire to get the right load (perhaps in parallel of course). My firsts tests using this were not positive, in the way that tuning is difficult, but the nice thing about this wire is that you can create any resistance you like by using alligator clips at the right spot.

To who reads this: this is not about power factor, or the theory behind it. This is about that one specific part of it, where the voltage and current are out of phase for 0.5 phi (90 degrees). We need to have some notes (findings) of people testing this. Luc has found out his generator has about 30 Watts which can be taken off of it without being a load. To draw conclusions we need more testing. And with generators, because playing with the grid is just for testing and learning. And it is a good thing to watch and see what other people do, like Stepanova. What I did see in Stepanova's story is that you need to have the load right and have the circuit in resonance. I have not (yet) been able to fully test what he did, but step one is to believe there is a way to OU. Who wants to join the ride: hop in. Please try to do some testing of your own.

If anyone wonders why I am not putting out any videos is because I am not tidy. I can set up a circuit between three or four other projects, having all wires cross each other. People would ask me to make clean videos, and that is not my thing. So I will just try to write about it. And if I have a tidy setup so every now and then, then I will do record it. And sorry for my long story, but as far as I can see and tell, Luc is doing real good things and he deserves a more positive approach from us. And this has also to do with intuition. Which is also a thing you cannot measure objectively, I know. But I do am one of those guys that afterwards will say: look, didn't I tell you?

[TheCell]

Just have a look at this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUChl7zRzTA
There doing it by converting the reactive power of Line 2 to real power at Line 3. At least this is what they claim.
Some time ago at realstrannik 2 members had a little dispute, one said: the major Korean brand are putting this technology into their devices for energy saving purposes. Disassemble it , he said and you will know how they do it. <Quote End>
And I guess he means samsung.
www.alibaba.com (If I find the exact Link I will post it here).
@GotoLuc
In your first video the voltage over the shunt is not a sine wave . Regardless the phase shift it should be, unless there is a nonlinear device in your circuit.
Simply connect your cap in series to the shunt and measure the voltage again. It should be a sine wave. (That means the shunt is a linear device) If it is so your 10 Ohms Resistor is the non linear device , with evt. negative resistance properties, which imo leads to an energy surplus.
But then the formula U^2 /R is not applicable for calculating output watts, because it implies U/I is a constant, which is not the case then. But if your shunt is linear input measurements are correct .But if you measure negative Input watts and the 10 Ohms resistor is getting hot you know you got ou. The circuit changes it's behavior consuming/spending when switched from the mains to the generator ; this thing has an operation point like a transistor. Find the right point and you get a benefit.

[forest]

Farmhand
I don't want to fill this thread with offtopic discussion but as you touched that issue I must correct you. I and also Tesla had never said there is no "external input", in fact this is all about the "external input" ! Again, I have to repeat myself : mark my words. Power IS energy if you know how to let "external input" fill the gaps. You can have CONTINOUS WAVE of whatever output energy UNDER load you wish. Exactly like Tesla described. Enough about that...