Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED

[mrwayne]

Correct, 'Reuse' does not create or destroy energy, as energy can only be transformed from one form to another (First law applies).

Hello Librea...
Good - narrow it down...
Transformed is not a requirement in energy and is not the only thing that you can do with energy - you can store it also.
Our displacement is stored one side - low pressure higher volume - higher pressure lower volume..according to boyles law.
In a perfect world - two equal bodies of PV - can produce the other - with standard seal type losses.
So if you have 2cubic feet of air at 10 psi, or 10cubic feet at 2 psi - they are the same amount of energy.
Either one can produce the other - with the right matching conversion (pressure increaser  - or volume increaser.
Moving those two Pv's between the two states would not be useful if they were in the same body of water - because the desired output from this movement is "water height from displacement."
Now - the point - How you "store energy" - makes the difference (NOT TRANSFORM).
The point - is that the Pv we transfer from one ZED and Back is not being transformed....It is a simple Boyles law transfer.
Moving a float side ways - does little to effect the buoyant values... and does little to consume its energy.
Yet where the Pv is "present" and which form of Boyles is controlled - the effect of "displacement" in a mechanically designed system to take advantage --- water levels are raised - and the boat floats up... External work -
The input is the cost to transfer Pv Energy one PV body to the Other PV body.
Transfer - not transformed....
and the anomaly in the ZED... being able to utilize the head "WITHOUT EXPANDING"
All of this would be mute - if we used the expansion to do work - MarkE knows this - which is why he refused to do anything but pop up our system....
p.s. Librea... The pop up energy - is also equal to the input - so if we did it that way - we would be transforming the energy.
Thanks

[mrwayne]

I told you that I might answer the question if you actually posed it so that it was comprehensible.  So who is the real troll I wonder?

This is where you fall flat on your face Wayne.  There is the nonsensical "selective memory" when the discussion is only 20 minutes old.  Likewise, you may be able to razzle-dazze a bunch of retired farmers and their wives out of their retirement savings with your ridiculous nonsensical "Wayne's vocabulary" but not me and not here.


MileHigh

Do you have proof that our system does not work or that anyone was cheated out of their retirement?
Or just more Trolling...
and as far as insulting my words.... get a life....
One more thing - you type a lot ..can you add an intellectual argument...
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[TinselKoala]

Posting before breakfast again, honest Wayne Travis? (For our international readers, it is just after 6:30 AM, Monday Morning, as I post this.)

My goodness. It's nice to know that arguing with insignificant internet trolls is more important to you than just about everything else, honest Wayne Travis. Why don't you just WIN the argument once and for all, by showing what you claim to have?

I know why, and so do you, and so does everybody else, even LarryC and Webby. You cannot, so you continue to attempt to deflect the issue by demanding something you have no right nor logical standing to demand. IT IS NOT UP TO US TO DISPROVE YOUR CLAIMS. They are BY DEFAULT WRONG, until YOU, as CLAIMANT, produce evidence to the contrary.... and after all these years and words from you, you have not done so, and in fact get further and further away from doing so with every Monday Morning Before Breakfast post you make.

[mrwayne]

Yet, it has been shown to completely conform to understood laws of physics.  The exceptional behavior that you thought you calculated was all a result of errors on your part.    Make a rock bigger or make a rock smaller and it is still a rock.

Yeah, you see that it conforms to standard physics! First admission ever - way to go MarkE!!
Just a correction again.....lol
We are Still not lifting rocks though? I do not think they are usually buoyant....
Here is a hint - buoyancy displaces Mass - while Rocks have mass.....
Rocks confirm to your statement..... Buoyancy does not - in some cases...
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The load on the real ZED system is Hydraulic - as we have shared ten thousand times....
The neutral buoyancy produced a hydraulic output (not a rock) when floated up...
You lock in the ROCK theory on your device - that is fine with me - The ZED on the other hand is a cool process...
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[mrwayne]

However you cannot 'have your cake and eat it too'... If the system is powering an EXTERNAL load , then by definition that energy is LEAVING the system. Once it has left, it is not available to the system again. (unless the system replenishes it somehow.)

I think I covered this - but to be fair - Our input process - the pV Transfer - is not consumed - so the argument about the Cake is not Valid...
The Pv to Pv transfer is pretty simple.... the real question should be - how does lift occur without consuming the pV....
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