Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED

[mrwayne]

unless the accumulator was storing more fluid inside itself,, then it is a store and not external work being done,, sure,, but to the ZED that would still be external work performed.

Webby,
If you ever get anything other than diversions and word games from these people - let me know.
Thanks
Wayne

[MarkE]

What a load of garbage Mark.

You must be in a bad place to utter such trash.

LOL

So, lets apply this elsewhere so that we can understand the two POV's.

Is charging a battery doing work?

If the machine in question is a battery charger then charging an external battery amounts to doing external work.  If the machine in question includes the battery, then charging that internal component does not amount to energy output.

I say yes.

If you do so without defining the boundaries of the machine then you present yourself as confused about what the word "output" means.

Is charging a battery doing external work.

I say yes.

Here, IIUC you are saying no.

See above about understanding the boundaries of a system.

What is Mark Dansie's job? is it not to evaluate such things?  In the video I linked to you can even hear Mark asking about part of the hydrualic lines and stuff that he showed in the video.  You are grasping there Mark E.

LOL.  Mark Dansie has stated in no uncertain terms his position.  You have invented fantasies.

I noticed that you BOLDED the lines you think are important,, read them again REAL slow,," my public stance as of interest but not supported by any data I have seen to date."  No data,, why are you reading something more into that?

It means exactly what it says.  No data.

I also looked at the video,, and the diagrams of the device,, and its hydraulic lines,, maybe that is outside your area of expertise,, that is to use your eyes.
It is people like you who destroy what this community is all about.

Great!  So kindly point to the output. Show the external work that the device performs.

It is fine for people to disagree and or have different views and express them,, but then there are people like you who choose to twist and misrepresent things, and then all the name calling and other childish stuff.

You actively support an investment fraud.

[mrwayne]

'IF' the zed behaves as you say then yes it would be producing net energy output that could be used to power a load.

However it doesn't and cannot ever function like that. Such a device runs headlong into the limitations of the First Law. Energy would be leaving the system but it is not being replenished.  If it is replenished if can't just coming from 'nowhere' as this would imply it is being created within the device and as yet no plausible explanation has been offered for how it does that.

Hello Librea.... -  I thought you totally missed it - but you did not - you just don't believe it - and no plausible answer has been offered....
Well that is the hard part - I actually gave you the answer - but it apparently did not make sense.
Here it is in shortened version - the Series connection of the layers mechanically allows for the reduction of input required to create buoyancy - which simultaneously produces (hydraulic production) and stores the input in the form of head pressure.
The buoyancy can be generated more efficiently than a seal less hydraulic cylinder -
And after that generation - the head pressure can be used to offset and reduce the cost of the other ZED - additionally improving the performance of each stroke.
Our little ZED was 160% efficient....
Here is your problem and many others - the answer is so simple you ignore it.....
It is your assumption that breaking the laws of conservation in a process must exceed understanding...... and sadly - it is so simple.
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  Those two points is all you need - so the question about the Math should be - how efficient is the lift of the ZED?
How much of the Head can be reused?
You only need to know those two things to see "what was made harder by assuming difficulty".
If you can step outside what is assumed and see what is presented.... it is eye opening.
Thanks Good night

[mrwayne]

LOLIf the machine in question is a battery charger then charging an external battery amounts to doing external work.  If the machine in question includes the battery, then charging that internal component does not amount to energy output.If you do so without defining the boundaries of the machine then you present yourself as confused about what the word "output" means.See above about understanding the boundaries of a system.LOL.  Mark Dansie has stated in no uncertain terms his position.  You have invented fantasies.It means exactly what it says.  No data.Great!  So kindly point to the output. Show the external work that the device performs.You actively support an investment fraud.

Oh my slippery little friend... we collected plenty of DATA.... smile.....
Who we shared it with is our business - if you read what was - stop adding and subtracting to make it what you want to hear... you would have understood.... but then you would not be a Troll.
If Stefan deleted you for your continual attack, lies, and slander on members here - this would be a decent site.

[mrwayne]

Three days left,
Good night!