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Overunity Machines Forum



Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED

Started by mondrasek, February 13, 2014, 09:17:30 AM

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MarkE

Quote from: webby1 on March 17, 2014, 01:39:35 PM
Here is one where the output losses plus the state3 state1 differences are less than the input but the state3 state1 differences plus the output from the spillway makes it a net zero.
You doing the same thing as with the other.  You have stored energy differences in the nJ out of total energies near 1MJ.  Excel has run out of resolution.  Or has it?  Maybe you should try and build a 60m tall implementation of the Russian Dolls of Ignorance using 100u riser walls and see how it works out.  Did you not notice that the stored energies in State 2 and State 3 matched to 12 digits?

MarkE

Quote from: webby1 on March 17, 2014, 12:42:40 PM
You saw a video by Mark D. showing a dual system running, so that is a "real ZED" doing something.
Just how did that video show that what was presented was doing what the fraudster Wayne Travis claimed?

minnie




   Webby,
             I graciously concede defeat.
          Final verdict.  ZED one, science and mathematics nil.
                         John.
     

MarkE

Quote from: webby1 on March 17, 2014, 01:59:23 PM
So you are blaming it on the program,, or the tool,, or something else then.

I did say extreme,, and the largest J i can find is ~767137.9J
I can prove that it is numerical error. 

Your first case yields:

ST1PrefillEnergy   1131643.6385133   J
ST2_EStoredTotal   1131643.63855033   J
ST3_EStoredTotal   1131643.63855023   J

Your second case yields:

State 1 Energy   776137.875828132 J
State 2 Energy   776137.875906342 J
State 3 Energy   776137.875906032 J

The equation for the spill force is:  Spill_initial_force = G0/(G0 + Spill_acceleration_constant)*ST2_TotalUpForce
The equation for the spill force constant is: Spill_force_rate = -Spill_initial_force/ST3_Uplift
The spill energy is: Spill_water_energy =0.5*-Spill_force_rate/mm_to_m*((ST3_Uplift*mm_to_m)^2  which is algebraically equal to G0/(G0 + Spill_acceleration_constant)*ST2_ST3_Internal_Energy_Loss.  IE it is always less algebraically.  Excel is limited numerically.




MarkE

Quote from: webby1 on March 17, 2014, 02:04:47 PM
Mark D. went through the setup, and the start, and the stop and restart,, not saying that it would run forever,, as with Mark D. until that part is verified I can not say absolutely.

The video did show the system working, it did show the system turned off and then turned back on by the touch of a button, so it showed something being done by the dual ZED system.
Really?  Define "working"?  Kindly tell me what anyone can verify that the machine was doing in the video.  Where was any load?  Where were any measurements?  I saw a large prop moving around.