Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED

[minnie]

   Yes you really do need the heel biters, if there's no one to keep the silly thing on
   the page it'd just disappear, like Travis himself!
        Of course he hasn't got anything that works, you can rest assured that he would
   have told us if he had.
                     John.

[MarkE]

Yes Mark, look it up,, here try this instead.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

It describes your argument very well.

If you want to keep playing yourself as a fool, no one here is going to stop you.

Go read the first thread,, then I will accept your apology.

If you have evidence of OU or a violation of the conservative nature of gravity, then just point to it.

As I told you the information was posted in the first thread.

What information would that be Tom?

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/flight-bumblebee

Try this for a reference,, and see if the lower portion does not ring a bell with what has transpired here,,

Unless you are trying to make free energy with bumble bees, you are off in the bushes.

In a community people are supposed to work together, to help, but in this one it seems a few have decided that they must be the caretakers of everyone else.  They alone have the ability and knowledge of all things to determine what is and what can not be, and then you get those that jump on the bandwagon just to have fun.

You support the fraudulent claims of a con man with no evidence on your side.  Why should you expect that reasonable people will not challenge such idiocy?

I found the knowledge that Mark did share to be interesting and useful, his opinions and self righteous attitude not helpful at all,, then there are the heal bitters,, what are they supposed to be doing??

You are making subjective judgements of how oh so unfair it is that in order to take any extraordinary claim seriously, I first require strong evidence.  If that offends a desire of yours to engage in magical thinking, then so be it.

So,, I have posted information I gathered, I have shared what my thoughts are on that collected data and I have shared what I think that means or shows.

To the best of my knowledge you have not shown any data that suggest any support for Wayne's free energy claims or his gravity altering claims.

Anyone else here built a 5 layer system?

The more important question is:  Has anyone, including you produced any objective evidence that supports Wayne's claims as you espouse to support them?

Go ahead and keep saying I did not post anything, go ahead and keep saying that because it has not been observed by mainstream science or some big named scientist that it can not be real,, go ahead and keep your heads in the sand,, if not stuck somewhere else.

Do you understand how science works?  Do you understand the scientific method?  If you do, why are you so angry about it?

Hey Bill,, Wayne started the first thread with the full understanding that not all information was going to be shared,  that was with Stefan as well

Wayne has made a mockery of himself as have his supporters.  None have come up with a single iota of evidence in favor of his idiotic and completely false free energy from buoyancy claims.  And that includes you Tom.

[minnie]

    Webby,
              do you believe a ZED could work?
    Please just answer yes or no.
    Travis himself was unable to answer a yes or no question.
                           John.

[TinselKoala]

Careful! Honest Wayne Travis has asked the NDA signers not to discuss the True and Holy Zed any more!

You can only discuss the lesser, pseudoZeds that are proven mathematically not to work. They are endorsed by the Zed Priesthood as being correct models, up until all the kinks are worked out of the math. Then when the math is all correct and it's impossible to claim that the models could work, it is revealed from on high that the models aren't really like the True and Holy Zeds at all..... Honest Father Wayne was just joking around with you, since he cannot reveal the actual operation of the True and Holy Zed and can't show any working model. The Law, and the agreements he has made, prevent it!

Many people believe all kinds of utterly crazy things. That doesn't mean it's true.

[minnie]

   I assume anyone under NDA wouldn't be using this forum in connection
   with ZEDs.
        I have done some experiments with "virtual water" and results are
   what could be expected from Archimedes.
         My see-saw calculations are very disheartening as well. I've got my
   pencil out again to examine possible transfer pumps.
                    John.