Auroratek self sustainable technologies Overunity to market in Arizona USA

[MarkE]

Tinsel
Thank you for your comments and concerns.
I make NO assumptions , you are weaving a story about intelligent chargers ??that sounds nothing like my recent conversation with Aurora and Bill  ...as stated already.. once the specifics of the DUT are discussed an appropriate test protocol will be offered to Aurora and Bill.

OR..
any of you fellows can go and do this service for the community on your dime?

thx
Chetkremens@gmail.com

Before designing a test:  Obtain a performance specification.  I know that TK was only offering examples, but a LiPo charger should be fine with a super cap.  Bill Alek is working with Pb acid, a typical Pb acid charger is a current limited device up to the float voltage, and then trickle charges with a fixed current.  That would be OK with a supercap that has an appropriately sized bleed resistor in parallel.  If one wanted to get fancy, one could use a smaller value bleed resistor in series with a zener.

[e2matrix]

Really? Do you really think that a supercap will look the same to an intelligent battery charger, as the battery type and capacity it is designed for? Have you ever tried to charge a LiPo battery with a NiCd charger, for example? What kind of charge would a LiPo charger put onto a supercap? Would it damage the charger, would it overcharge the cap? Bill Alek could very legitimately reject any testing with supercaps and I, for one, wouldn't question him for it. Supercaps are great for running some system that is supposed to put out more energy than input, but not for battery recharging systems, because the equivalent series resistance, the response to charge current/voltage, the charge memory, and other variables are likely to be very different between supercaps and batteries of various kinds.

The manufacturers of commercial lab power analyzers publish their specifications and even provide engineering support. The one in the image I posted is decades old technology but there are even actual published reports of controlled testing comparisons with calorimetric power measurement methods. But anyone who really had an overunity electrical device would surely be able to rent a state-of-the-art modern unit that would have much better specs than that one. Wouldn't they?

I basically agree with all  you are saying above.  No I don't think a supercap would look the same as a battery and was surprised Bill would be okay with that sort of test.   But if it works with them also then all the better.   Not sure why you ask putting a Lipo (usual 3.7 volt) on a NiCd charger (typical ~ 1.6 volt out to achieve about 1.45 volt charge.   Seems that would make no sense to do that unless you are trying to save a really dead Lipo that's gone well below about 2.5 volts and which refuses to be charged on a smart Lipo charger (somewhat dangerous to try recovering them after they go too low).

[TinselKoala]

I basically agree with all  you are saying above.  No I don't think a supercap would look the same as a battery and was surprised Bill would be okay with that sort of test.   But if it works with them also then all the better.   Not sure why you ask putting a Lipo (usual 3.7 volt) on a NiCd charger (typical ~ 1.6 volt out to achieve about 1.45 volt charge.   Seems that would make no sense to do that unless you are trying to save a really dead Lipo that's gone well below about 2.5 volts and which refuses to be charged on a smart Lipo charger (somewhat dangerous to try recovering them after they go too low).

I used the example to illustrate that modern battery chargers are specific to battery chemistry! And if you want to charge a supercap with a battery charger, the charger will not function properly (meaning as designed, like putting the proper voltage and current or hooking to the Quantum Ether or whatever.) You are going to have to use some extra circuitry... to emulate the characteristics of the battery the charger is designed for, and this gives the claimant the wiggle room he needs. No matter how much extra circuitry you add to your supercap, it still won't have that Special Something that allows the Auroratech battery charger to produce Overunity. Or so Bill can claim, with perfect face validity.  That is my whole point.

So a test with supercaps, failing as it is sure to do, will not prove anything. Of course, if the supercaps/plus extra circuitry retain their charge while you are driving around the parking lot with the scooter for hours and hours, that will be a different story. But I still don't see how that would be different from testing using your own battery of the proper type.

[ramset]

Quote from Bill about his 100 watt proprietary Transformer.
"it works with Super Caps Too"


I don't see any Wiggle there?


Thx
Chet

[MarkE]

Quote from Bill about his 100 watt proprietary Transformer.
"it works with Super Caps Too"


I don't see any Wiggle there?


Thx
Chet

Good, then Bill Alek should have little difficulty specifying performance that he believes his devices can absolutely, positively meet.  From that performance criteria a qualification test can be devised.