Finsrud's Perpetuum Mobile

[Omnibus]

Hi Stefan,

Aside from being occupied with his artwork (for instance, he was just finishing the statue for the Norwegian Oscars) and students, Finsrud is working on at least a couple of other technical projects right now. He showed me the prototype of one of them ? a machine utilizing the energy of the sun. Another one is using the energy of the tidal waves in Oslo fjord. He also showed me prototypes of numerous other projects for perpetuum mobile which have led him to the successful one.

I feel, however, that he has had it with the project in question. Many people have come throughout the years to study it and nothing suspicious has been found about it. He has a feeling that should do it and that it has been publicized enough. Unfortunately, he doesn?t realize that this most important technical creation of his needs more than a couple of interviews in the Norwegian press, a presentation as a curiosity on Discovery channel and MTV and a note about it in a Utah brochure in order to convince the world that something revolutionary is going on there. I told you already what, for instance, two physics professors at Oslo University think about it. They are convinced he has used a trick to pull our leg, although when asked what that trick might be they couldn?t identify it. They think it?s up to Finsrud to prove he hasn?t used a trick while I think it?s just the opposite. The burden of proof is on them. They are making the statement that there must be a trick, therefore it?s up to them to prove its validity. I will pursue this problem further and will let you know about the development.

[Omnibus]

Stefan, you say:

?as this machine could also be explained by the right
turning cycle processes in a B ( magnetic flux density) over H ( magnetic field) magnetic diagram and thus converting environmental heat directly to mechanical energy via a ferro-magnetic right turning cycle process and thus violating the 2nd law of thermodynamic.?

Are you suggesting that attraction by magnets is a violation of the second law of thermodynamics? What does this right-turning cycle process have to do with the laws of thermodynamics? I don?t get it.

This I also don?t understand:

?I just think the first law, that states, that energy can not be created,
but only converted,  is a basic principle of nature, otherwise nature
would have already collapsed.?

Why would the violation of the first thermodynamic law lead to the collapse of the Universe? There?s nothing that would suggest that.

As far as the tilting goes, it is less than 1mm at the periphery. You can see the tilting in several places of the videos I posted. This was one of the things I specifically paid attention to when taking the video.

?How long does it take Finsrud to start the machine , when he has stopped it ?
How does he exactly start ?
Just give the ball a spin with his hands and
then adjusting the 120 degrees out of phase
mechanical oscillation weights to have the right frequency and phase relationsship to each other ?
What, if these "swinger units" are just a bit
deadjusted, will it then get to a stop ??

I have video of that too and if I find time I may post it as well. First Finsrud cleaned carefully the track with the paper seen on the first of the two videos I posted. What surprised me was that, unlike what I expected, Finsrud didn?t take special measures to synchronize the pendulums. He just slightly pushed the ball with his hands, enough to make it roll on the track and then slightly slapped it a couple of times. It somehow got into synchronism by itself. Mind you, while doing this Finsrud warned me that the machine probably won?t work this time since he felt the sound it was producing didn?t sound healthy to him. Luckily, however, it ran during the whole time I was in the gallery that day ? from around 12 at noon until around 4:30 in the afternoon. Enough to convince me this was not a trivial matter.

?Does it have any effect, that these yellow push down spring like metal bar-rods are shaking and just vibrating and thus giving multiple pulses to the swinger units ? Did you talk about these things with Finsrud ??

First, these vibrations are self-induced. They are due to the rotation of the ball not vice versa. Finsrud thinks that they have a lot to do with the functioning of the machine. Remember, there is a fourth pendulum inside the supporting column with magnets attached to it facing a set of magnets embedded in clay. This fourth pendulum swings slightly as the ball is turning.

Finsrud carried out a special experiment with 12 ring magnets and a pendulum with another ring magnet to show me how he actually started this project. I have this on video too. As a matter of fact, you can hear at the end of the first video I posted the sound of the drill when he was preparing to show me the experiment with the ring magnets. He thinks that?s the gist of the whole story ? everything is set up in such a way, using various springs, as well as that magnetic pendulum phenomenon, to disallow ever reaching equilibrium.

I don?t deny these additions may help but, as I said before, I don?t think that is the essence of the principle driving his machine. The essence I think is based on the SMOT and this is an ingenious rendition of a continuous SMOT.

[Liberty]

Hi Omnibus,
many thanks for your videos and observations.

Well we still disagree with the thermodynamic laws,
as this machine could also be explained by the right
turning cycle processes in a 
B ( magnetic flux density) over H ( magnetic field) magnetic diagram
and thus converting environmental heat
directly to mechanical energy via a ferro-magnetic
right turning cycle process and thus violating
the 2nd law of thermodynamic.

I think this is the case for many magnet setups and
special magnet ferromagnetic pulse motors with higher
than 100 % output, e.g. SMOT , LUTEC, STEORN and
some others..

I just think the first law, that states, that energy can not be created,
but only converted,  is a basic principle of nature, otherwise nature
would have already collapsed.

But in the case of the Finsrud device it is very hard to prove,
because the energies are so small, that are at play there
and only a fraction of a degree Celsius would be needed to
cool down to keep the iron ball moving, so this would really be hard
to measure...

Please can you tell us more about the future plans of Finrud,
what he wants to do with his invention ?
Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

Just want to throw in an observation about the model prototype I that I built.  (A magnet motor that uses a small amount of power).  I found that there is no detectable temperature change in any part of the device, except where electrical power is being expended.  The magnets appear to maintain the same room temperature that the room is set to, whether the motor is running or at rest.  There does not appear to be any change in temperature (heat or cold) at all. There is no more temperature change than if you caused the magnets to interact manually.

Liberty

[Omnibus]

Stefan, I don?t know why you?re mentioning STEORN. First, STEORN haven?t demonstrated anything and therefore shouldn?t be considered in the discussions. Nevertheless, I?ll mention that, as far as I understand, theirs is a motor which needs some energy input. If that?s the case then we have something much more interesting ? the motor of Paul Sprain which was discussed here. Unfortunately, due to the need of energy input Sprain?s device is much inferior to Finsrud?s in demonstrating the invalidity of the firstl thermodynamic law. The sceptics love to have input. In Finsrud?s case whereby there is no input energy they cannot say anything ? chess mate. They can only resort to ridiculous suggestions such as fraud which it obviously is not.

[hartiberlin]

Well, magnetic motors can use a magneto-caloric process
and it can be described via the BH diagram with right turning circular
processes like stirling motors can be described in PV diagrams.
So there is an interaction between moving Bloch walls and
magnetic domains inside iron material ( like the steel ball in Finsrud?s device)
and in magnets and the energy needed to do this which will probably in Finsrud?s case come
from the magnets which will cool then down by themself maybe 1/100th degrees
of Celsius and convert this into the attraction energy onto the steel ball
and thus converts heat energy into mechanical motion of the iron steel ball.
Also the steel ball will probably also cool down itsself a bit cause it can be described
as a "positive" hysteresis, but the frictional forces on the rail track will
also heat it again a bit, so it probably compensates again the cooling...
Also if you calculate the heat needed for such a small friction losses to overcome,
it is probably only in the MilliWatts range and to cool down air to extract Milliwatts
of power would only need 1/hundreds of Celsius to do this, so a very small
temperature drop only, which is hardly at all measureable...

I would really love to see the other basic experiment with the 12 ring magnets.
I think this could be well replicated and if you put coils around the ring magnets
and the pendulum comes never to rest you could also extract some free
energy with this via the outpt coils.