Mag Mirror Engine

[Floor]

A preliminary exploration of a concept for an all magnet engine.

The concept is untested / unmeasured,  and the examination / drawings / presentation
are still incomplete, and an early / rough draft.
     
              Please find below the MirrorEngine3.PDF file


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[tinman]

Tried this one some years back. My findings were that it takes as much force to remove the iron sheet from between the two magnet's,as the repelling force of the two apposing magnets gives back.

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@TinMan

Definitely, convention says they Should Balance, and I think they probably will. (or very nearly so)
But then there are three interactions at play in each half of the movements / forces / cycle.

(Looking at only the first half of the cycle)

Force 1.  Magnets A and B each attract to Iron sheet E.
Force 2.  Force needed to extract iron sheet E from both A and B
Force 3.  Repulsion of A to B after the extraction of E from between them.

If force 1 <>  force 2, then there is not balance and there is the potential for work ?
If force 2 <> force 3 , then there is not balance and there is the potential for work ?

If force 1 plus  force 3 = force 2 then definitely, neither force 1 or force 2 alone can be equal to force 2.

If force 1 = force 2 then force 3 is excess
If force 3 = force 2 then force 1 is excess

The same logic applies to the other half of the cycle (mags. C and D to sheet E)

             Your thoughts?


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[tinman]

When i built my design that works on a similar principle as your setup,i was sure it would work. I had 2 actions and 3 reactions-this leves 1 reaction to power the unit. But something happens when you create a bucking field,and then try to remove the shield from between the two magnets. It some how seems that the two magnets now has a pull force on the shield of 4 magnet's. When you place two magnets together in oposition,the field expands out far more than it would with just 1 magnet. So this means that the distance that the shield has to be moved to be out of the magnetic field,is far greater,and ofcourse requires an applied force for a greater time to remove the shield over that greater distance.

My design was based on an old whipper snipper engine.i only used the crank and fly wheel.I had a fixed magnet outside the fly wheel's outer edge.The fly wheel had a shield on it,that ran about half way around the circumference. So one action was the shield being attracted to the fixed magnet,and the reaction was the magnet sucking the shield back to it-equal and opposite. Second magnet was fixed to the con rod,which had guides to keep the conrod moving in and out on a single plane-much like a steam engine piston setup.This magnet was attracted to the shield also,and would cause rotation. The equal and opposite reaction was once again that the shield would pull on the con rod magnet,and slow rotation down. But i was left with the fixed magnet and con rod magnet apposing each other once the shield was past TDC-this was my left over reaction. But those two magnets just wouldnt let go of the shield,and thats what killed it from working.

This was something i built a long time ago-back in my twenties,and my engineering skills were not the best back then lol. Maybe i will give it another try,but use some sort of magnetic neutral polymer as the shield-a mix of diamagnetic and ferromagnetic materials,at just the right ballance. I also used a solid steel sheet as the shield,and i think the eddy currents would have hindered things a little aswell.

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@ tinman

If i am understanding / imagining  your design correctly, it settled into equilibrium or a kind of "sticky spot" ?

I have a working hypothesis, (for now) that action / reaction elements / components of a  "working magnet engine"
CAN NOT sustain momentum continuously.  Or that in other words,  the "nature of the beast" will be such that movements
within the device must each, complete, before the next movement ?  I think this is possibly, a most critical point to
consider / bare in mind, when investigating ?

Other wise attempts, I think,  must inevitably settle into equilibrium.

It may be that the bulk of conservation of momentum, needs to be "post reaction".  This may require
some kind of latching,  and / or a one directional slipping / ratcheting connection to a momentum storage element (fly wheel) ?

All so, I have considered, as you mention, that there might be some shaping of the force between the two
repelling magnets, which would extend the distance of their attraction to the shield.  And agree that this may
be the fatal snag ?

Don't know yet though.

I much appreciate your  input / ideas.

Field shape and composition of the "shield" will be the next aspects I considerations / examine.

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