Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)

[TinselKoala]

I was going to comment yesterday that Your input looked right to me, in my experiences with a lot lesser input and using transformers
I found that the readings from my True RMS DMM are pretty mush just as accurate as using the scope and a 0.1 Ohm CSR (wire one)
I also checked with a analogue panel meter. But if the scope shows flat DC and the DMM agrees with the scope then I usually use the DMM.

Tinsels input just looks correct for the power he is developing in the tank.

Only the power dissipated in the tank can be considered output. I would expect to see more power in the tank than is being input.

The bit that makes me wonder with Tinsels setup is the power dissipated in the circuit. Seems to me there would be a bit of juice
dissipated in the circuit.

Will be good to see the sim. Can we run the sims ? I still haven't leaned the basics of Spice.

(emphasis mine)

Hello, QEGgers! Is the light beginning to dawn upon you yet? Are you beginning to see the point of this "pointless diversion"?

(ETA: Actually if there is a receiver in use, coupled to the output loop across an air gap, the power in the receiver is also considered output, and can be seen as a corresponding rise in the DC input current.)

[TinselKoala]

Grr. I am forcing myself to listen carefully to the "long version" of the Sterling interview of James Robitaille.
It is maddening. I am trying to catch the moments when JR actually says that the prototype ran itself, how long it ran, and what kind of load it powered.
I have rarely heard such a waffling about. I am 20 minutes in, Sterling has asked the questions three times already, and Robitaille hasn't answered yet, although he has clearly dodged about trying to avoid stating the actual facts of the matter.

But.... at 22 minutes in.... we finally get the truth.

JR:  ... but in resonance we've got about 150 hours on it.
SA:  And ah, during that time, um... the output was...ah, I would imagine you didn't necessarily have it at the full, you know, 9300 Watts, you mentioned that's the highest you got, what would you say that was maybe the average output that you were, um, producing...
JR:  .... Ah.... probably about ah, about 4 kiloWatts most of the time, so that most of the time, between 4 and 5 kiloWatts
SA:  And, in terms of, you talked about, the generator only required about one tenth of what is, on the input side, what is coming on the output side... Have you actually um, run it through an inverter and self-looped it yourself?
JR:  Ah, no, we ha, no, we haven't done that yet. Ahm.... we didn't, we didn't have the inverter, ahm, we put, I put this thing together in like a barn (laughter) and uh it was done with basic tools and....

And so on and so forth. NO, the prototype did not "run, operating a load of instruments of 9300 W for 150 hours" at all.

It was _tested_ in the resonant mode for perhaps 1.5 hours at a time, many times, estimated to total 150 hours. The PEAK output measured was 9300 watts... and we have good reason to believe that this was the usual peak-to-peak measurement as we have recently seen, thus overestimating the output power by a factor of at least 8. The "average" was "probably" 4-5 kW. Again, as usual and again most likely a gross overstatement. The decision was made to release it to the public... meaning to start the hyped up funding campaign and the crowdfunded world travel tour... at the point that the resonance phenomenon was reliably repeatable in the prototype. HE NEVER SELF-LOOPED the prototype. No "inverter"? Please give me a break. What is the next step after "have no inverter"? Hint: YOU GO OUT AND BUY ONE. G. Zis Cripes, how hard is that to figure out?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJKE5DJRMFQ

[ACG]

The UK word is out!
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/cicu-united-kingdom/495-phase-3-update-uk-build

Same pattern repeating.
* Hang in there we are almost there.
* Did not self loop.
* Ran out of time.  -  Humm, perhaps not speeding so much time installing 11 gongs, and overhead curtains, you would have had more time.
* "...we will be releasing in our famous opensource style!" - A.K.A. disabling comments to various youtube channels and banning questions over at be-do.
* The obligatory Tesla reference.
* Fleeing the scene of the crime.  - But down worry, the prototype in Pennsylvania is now scheduled to be self running in 30 days.  How many times have this been said?

Holding to see the title of the next fund raising caption.  Should be something appropriate like "Stick Em Up!"

[TinselKoala]

Farmhand said,

P.S. Tinsel you usually get a god 21 watts or more out don't you, I seen you show what i think was a 21 Watt auto globe lit right up,
probably over powered.
So 33 Watts input and 23 Watts output with a few Watts feeding the tank losses, a few watts "pumping" up the tank and a few
Watts dissipated in the driving circuit.

The power in the tank is kinda inconsequential compared to input and true output.

Your current sense resistor is more or less your load isn't it ?

Yes, if you count the output as what the receiver outputs to the light bulb or the DC output to a motor or something, that is probably about right.  But if you look at the power circulating in the _receiver's_ tank circuit it also will seem quite a bit higher!

Yes, the CSR sitting where it is probably represents the highest impedance portion of the output load, even with the non-inductive Ohmite current-sense resistor pair. Taking the known value of the capacitor stack and the measured resonant frequency of the output tank (around 800 kHz when the battery is full) I get a total inductance in the output side of something like 0.7 microHenry, and the loop itself in isim's calculation is estimated to be only under 0.2 microHenry.

So I think you got the point of the whole exercise. The QEG folks are measuring power circulating in a tank, as well as overestimating that power by citing peak-to-peak values. The way to measure the true output power of such a resonating system is to measure the power dissipated in a load, and this does _not_ mean measuring the V and I "supplied" to the load!

ETA: The current sense resistor does get really hot, really fast, and so I can only operate the circuit a few seconds at a time when it is in there, I don't have any spares of this item. With only the loop itself as output, I can operate for some minutes before the loop warms up much. Three parallel strands of #12 solid copper wire and it does warm up perceptibly. The capacitors are the parts that heat up the most, and that's why they should be high quality, poly film, overrated for voltage, and built up total capacitance from smaller units in parallel.

[isim]

@TinselKoala
I was busy this evening, and the sim will be for the end of the WE. I just have the time to draw and adjust the sim parameters.
One problem: the generator does not want start alone, so I will test it with an external command signal on the drain!
And I confirm  your measurement: no pulse in the current from the battery...  (because C9, L1 and L2)
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