Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)

[Void]

Ok, I get you Farmhand. Yes, it can be misleading if people show power measurements
and scope waveform shots of internal transformers and whatever in a circuit, but ultimately all that
is important is proper input power measurements right at the power source, and proper output power
measurements of the power being dissipated by the load. If someone is demonstrating a circuit
and not showing proper input power measurements right at the power source and proper output
power measurements on the load, then IMO there is definitely good reason to be suspicious.
Really that is all anyone would want to measure and demonstrate in regards to claims of
overunity for any given circuit.   If they are not at least showing power measurements at these
points very clearly, then I think there is very good reason to be suspicious. Either they don't
know what they are doing, or they are possibly trying to hide something. Of course all this becomes
not so important if they can simply feedback some of the output power to the input and make
a self runner.

[Farmhand]

Ok, I get you Farmhand. Yes, it can be misleading if people show power measurements
and scope waveform shots of internal transformers and whatever in a circuit, but ultimately all that
is important is proper input power measurements right at the power source, and proper output power
measurements of the power being dissipated by the load. If someone is demonstrating a circuit
and not showing proper input power measurements right at the power source and proper output
power measurements on the load, then IMO there is definitely good reason to be suspicious.
Really that is all anyone would want to measure and demonstrate in regards to claims of
overunity for any given circuit.   If they are not at least showing power measurements at these
points very clearly, then I think there is very good reason to be suspicious. Either they don't
know what they are doing, or they are possibly trying to hide something. All that becomes
unimportant of course if they can simply feedback some of the output power to the input and make
a self runner.

Definitely not, not when the grid and reactive power are involved. No way. To make a valid claim of OU all energy used to create
the output simply has to be taken into account. It must. Anything else is cheating. Simple as that. As I see it.

You cannot use AC power unless you first generate it. So energy expended for the generation of the power must be included.
You cannot generate power without dissipating energy so that energy must also be included. It's all in the electricity bill.
Line fees' or connection cost ect. we get billed for just having the AC at the wall even when we don't use it because it
costs money and energy to generate the power even when none is consumed.

See ?

So you see part of the cost of running grid connected devices is in the bill before you use any power.
I'm factoring in the cost of the generation of the AC.

It doesn't matter what the majority of people say is ok. What matters is the reality of the situation. Isn't it ?

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[Void]

Definitely not, not when the grid and reactive power are involved. No way. To make a valid claim of OU all energy used to create
the output simply has to be taken into account. It must. Anything else is cheating. Simple as that. As I see it.
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No, I don't think it is that complicated man.  If the input to a circuit is being powered
from an AC outlet, and the input to the circuit is showing a power factor less than 1, then you
can simply add some power factor correction components at the input to the circuit and measure
the input power to the circuit just prior to the power factor correction components.
Then you should show the actual power being consumed by the circuit, and you are not putting any reactive
load on the line as well, if you don't trust a power meter to accurately take into account the power factor
at the input to the circuit when measuring the real power into the circuit.

[Void]

Crikey, dup post.  Hit quote instead of modify. 

[Farmhand]

Then I only need to measure the output of the tank and the load power, then that is the equivalent to a grid system. 

Get my point ?

I could ignore the DC input to the primary because we only need the output coil and the load power.

See the problem ! The grid outlet is the output of a transformer, people claiming OU from Grid powered devices need to measure
the power into the Grid's generator to be equal to me measuring the DC input.
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It can be a local grid or a modeled grid like mine but the real cost is not seen just measuring the output coil on my arrangement
or with the grid.