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Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)

Started by madddann, March 26, 2014, 09:42:27 PM

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SeaMonkey

The QEG as it presently exists is unimpressive in its
efficiency.  What it obviously needs is a single turn
winding at each end of the rotor, very low resistance
heavy gauge wire.  Then it would at least more closely
resemble an 'induction generator' and perhaps show
some increase in efficiency.

In fact, a side by side comparison with an improvised
induction generator made from an induction motor
might reveal some clues.

PCB

Quote from: MileHigh on October 18, 2014, 09:31:04 AM
I watched most of the new Kevin clip with the interview with Evens.  As can be expected, it's not very confidence inspiring and Evens is wise enough to make no promises.

However.....  Evens talks about himself and the Montreal group of "engineers" making their preliminary observations after they achieved resonance.  They added a spark gap, I believe across the high-voltage primary.  When the spark gap engaged they noticed a little extra bright blip from the light bulb load on the secondary.  They were all puzzled about this, the group of them, and were searching for an explanation.  Naturally Kevin was all excited about this, wanting to believe that it was a "hint" towards unlocking the over unity.  Between the two of them in the interview, the train of thought was that this was a "peek" at the "tremendous untapped energy in the primary resonator" or something like that.

Now what the hell?  A group of technical people and nobody could offer up a theory or an explanation?  The first thing that went through my mind was that the spark gap was quenching the magnetic energy (i.e.; FLUX) in the core.  Any other coils wrapped around the core (like the SECONDARY) will see this rapid drop in magnetic flux and also output a higher voltage pulse than normal.  That's the kind of thing that comes to my mind in REAL TIME as I hear it, and these "engineers" are all befuddled and can't explain it?

Naturally, these comments would have to be verified on the bench but I am highly confident that it would be a slam-dunk.

A simple very similar example is the "Leedskalnin Perpetual Motion Holder" (I hate that term) where the experimenter has a coil of wire wrapped around the magnetic circuit, and the coil is connected to a small light bulb load.  When the experimenter breaks the magnetic circuit the light bulb flashes for exactly the same reason.  I am pretty sure that Russ did a clip like this a year or two ago.

Now, assuming that I am correct, that leaves the "Montreal engineering team" in the same class as "bench artist" Jamie himself.  In other words, haplessly trying to figure things out without the knowledge and skills and experience to get anywhere.  Just a bunch of spinning wheels going nowhere pretending that they know what they are doing.  It's just another depressing milestone in this miserable journey.
@MH. If you look back on the last page you will see I made a very similar set of comments and gave the same explanation as to the momentary increase in lamp brightness. However, I do not think this can be correct as I assume that the spark gap limits the rise in potential (back emf from collapsing mag field) to 3kV. What about a sudden change transient change in the impedance of the primary coil?

MileHigh

PCB:

Thanks, I tuned out of the last page or so because of the Joel gibberish so I went back and saw your comment.  As others have said, the true explanation for what takes place would require a schematic and a full timing analysis.  But let me restate my possible explanation in another way.

For starters, it doesn't matter if you have increasing flux increasing a coil voltage output, or decreasing flux increasing a coil voltage output.  The only thing that counts is the rate of change of the flux with respect to time.  i.e.; shorting the primary coil from the spark gap event rapidly decreases the magnetic energy in the core and other "agents" (coils) want to parasitically "take advantage" of that event.  So the basic premise is that the spark gap engages and creates a very low resistance quasi short circuit across the primary.  That creates a rapid decrease in the flux through the core.  Any other coils wrapped around the core will also see that flux change and hence produce an increased voltage output.  So it's almost like the secondary coil is "hitching a ride" on the spark gap event.

In more basic technical terms, lets say you have a core with AC flux going through it provided by a separate drive coil and three pick-up coils wrapped around the core, L1, L2, and L3.  Each one of those coils has a load resistance R1, R2, and R3.   So the question is where does the AC power go?  Each coil + load resistor coil will have an associated AC impedance.  The lowest AC impedance will dissipate more power than the highest AC impedance.  The source power is split or cut into three loads, like three pie slices.  The same thing will apply to the QEG between the spark gap load and associated primary coils and the light bulb load and associated secondary coils.

Going back to the QEG and the Montreal group, the spark gap event is simply an AC transient event that initiates the dissipation of the energy in the core.  The energy in the core is split into two pie slices, one slice goes to the spark gap event, the other slice goes to the light bulb load.

So you can see the analysis "forgets" about various external events in a sense.  The only thing that you need to know is the spark gap event starts to rapidly suck the magnetic energy out of the core and the secondary coils that drive the light bulb load "parasitically" take advantage of that fact and grab their own slice of the available energy.

Now of course you have the rotating QEG rotor redirecting the flux in the core, bla, bla, bla.  So the actual timing analysis could be done to confirm the "top level" explanation for what is happening to cause the light bulbs to momentarily increase in brightness.  Sorry for the long-winded pedantic explanation but perhaps that will help some of the noteworthy lurkers out there.

Speaking of timing analysis, in the interview Evens expresses some frustration in getting a full understanding of the timing analysis of the QEG.  What the hell one more time?  I actually discussed how to make a proper timing analysis of the QEG months ago on this thread.  Doing a full timing analysis of the QEG should be a no-brainer.

MileHigh

Pirate88179

Quote from: isim on October 18, 2014, 04:02:17 AM

@Pirate88179
I was thinking that string theory was without pratical application (until now!), you just show I was wrong... Thanks  :)

You are very welcome Sir, I am always glad to try to help when I can. (Grin)

Bill
See the Joule thief Circuit Diagrams, etc. topic here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6942.0;topicseen

PCB

Quote from: MileHigh on October 18, 2014, 05:43:16 PM
PCB:

Thanks, I tuned out of the last page or so because of the Joel gibberish so I went back and saw your comment.  As others have said, the true explanation for what takes place would require a schematic and a full timing analysis.  But let me restate my possible explanation in another way.

For starters, it doesn't matter if you have increasing flux increasing a coil voltage output, or decreasing flux increasing a coil voltage output.  The only thing that counts is the rate of change of the flux with respect to time.  i.e.; shorting the primary coil from the spark gap event rapidly decreases the magnetic energy in the core and other "agents" (coils) want to parasitically "take advantage" of that event.  So the basic premise is that the spark gap engages and creates a very low resistance quasi short circuit across the primary.  That creates a rapid decrease in the flux through the core.  Any other coils wrapped around the core will also see that flux change and hence produce an increased voltage output.  So it's almost like the secondary coil is "hitching a ride" on the spark gap event.

In more basic technical terms, lets say you have a core with AC flux going through it provided by a separate drive coil and three pick-up coils wrapped around the core, L1, L2, and L3.  Each one of those coils has a load resistance R1, R2, and R3.   So the question is where does the AC power go?  Each coil + load resistor coil will have an associated AC impedance.  The lowest AC impedance will dissipate more power than the highest AC impedance.  The source power is split or cut into three loads, like three pie slices.  The same thing will apply to the QEG between the spark gap load and associated primary coils and the light bulb load and associated secondary coils.

Going back to the QEG and the Montreal group, the spark gap event is simply an AC transient event that initiates the dissipation of the energy in the core.  The energy in the core is split into two pie slices, one slice goes to the spark gap event, the other slice goes to the light bulb load.

So you can see the analysis "forgets" about various external events in a sense.  The only thing that you need to know is the spark gap event starts to rapidly suck the magnetic energy out of the core and the secondary coils that drive the light bulb load "parasitically" take advantage of that fact and grab their own slice of the available energy.

Now of course you have the rotating QEG rotor redirecting the flux in the core, bla, bla, bla.  So the actual timing analysis could be done to confirm the "top level" explanation for what is happening to cause the light bulbs to momentarily increase in brightness.  Sorry for the long-winded pedantic explanation but perhaps that will help some of the noteworthy lurkers out there.

Speaking of timing analysis, in the interview Evens expresses some frustration in getting a full understanding of the timing analysis of the QEG.  What the hell one more time?  I actually discussed how to make a proper timing analysis of the QEG months ago on this thread.  Doing a full timing analysis of the QEG should be a no-brainer.

MileHigh
That sounds like a reasonable explanation. The amazing thing to me is that these so called engineers look to "other world" explanations. Every elec eng knows that a fast collapsing mag field will lead create a voltage spike. I just spent yesterday afternoon working on my Ford 4000 tractor, and replaced the entire ignition system: contact breakers, cap, inductance coil, spark gap (Plugs); found no OU though.

Hey new posting on be-do: http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/548-qeg-and-induction-generator-hybrid