How Steorn Works

Jowik · October 04, 2006, 08:53:51 AM

Quote from: PaulLowrance on October 03, 2006, 02:27:10 PM
Does anyone know exactly what Steorn's claims are? Is their machine self-running (closing the loop, recirculating enough energy to run by itself without draining a battery source)?

Paul Lowrance

Hi Paul,

It seems to me, that Steorn's claim is essentially placing magnets in a very particular arrangement. A magnet, or magnets travel around this constructed field. There is no shielding used. There's no information on how many levels there are. When the magnet(s) travel from point A to point A in a single direction (let's say clockwise for argument's sake) there is a net gain of energy. When the magnet(s) travel from point A to point A in the opposite direction, there's a net loss. So you could say that due to the arrangement of the magnets in this setup, the "extra" energy is used from what would normally be experienced when moving in the opposite direction. In other words, the constructed magnetic fields allow for an extra push in the intended direction. This is how I perceive they've done it. Apparently, Steorn has run their device at 600k cycles with no known wear to magnetic fields (Sean apparently made a mistake and stated 600 cycles, which he mentioned would regret. So we'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say 600,000 cycles). Once running, it doesn't stop. This is the basic principle discovered three years ago. They have progressed it to the point where they are submitting as many patents as they can on different arrangements as they discover them based on their discovered principle. These patents are not available in the first stage of submission, I'm not a patent lawyer, but these things take time I guess.

I've been racking my brain thinking about how such a particular arrangement can be made and I figure that there's two levels to the whole arrangement, that the fields are constructed in a particular semi spiral pattern (not cone), the other level being the opposite to the other and the two levels of rotating magnets are mechanically arranged to counter rotate.

I hope this helps.

Cheers,

John

Liberty · October 04, 2006, 09:18:47 AM

Quote from: Jowik on October 04, 2006, 08:53:51 AM
Quote from: PaulLowrance on October 03, 2006, 02:27:10 PM
Does anyone know exactly what Steorn's claims are? Is their machine self-running (closing the loop, recirculating enough energy to run by itself without draining a battery source)?

Paul Lowrance

Hi Paul,

It seems to me, that Steorn's claim is essentially placing magnets in a very particular arrangement. A magnet, or magnets travel around this constructed field. There is no shielding used. There's no information on how many levels there are. When the magnet(s) travel from point A to point A in a single direction (let's say clockwise for argument's sake) there is a net gain of energy. When the magnet(s) travel from point A to point A in the opposite direction, there's a net loss. So you could say that due to the arrangement of the magnets in this setup, the "extra" energy is used from what would normally be experienced when moving in the opposite direction. In other words, the constructed magnetic fields allow for an extra push in the intended direction. This is how I perceive they've done it. Apparently, Steorn has run their device at 600k cycles with no known wear to magnetic fields (Sean apparently made a mistake and stated 600 cycles, which he mentioned would regret. So we'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say 600,000 cycles). Once running, it doesn't stop. This is the basic principle discovered three years ago. They have progressed it to the point where they are submitting as many patents as they can on different arrangements as they discover them based on their discovered principle. These patents are not available in the first stage of submission, I'm not a patent lawyer, but these things take time I guess.

I've been racking my brain thinking about how such a particular arrangement can be made and I figure that there's two levels to the whole arrangement, that the fields are constructed in a particular semi spiral pattern (not cone), the other level being the opposite to the other and the two levels of rotating magnets are mechanically arranged to counter rotate.

I hope this helps.

Cheers,

John

That is interesting Jowik,

But I think from what Steorn was saying, the rotor material is not made up of a magnet. It is made of a magnetic material of some sort. Just wonder if it has any torque to pull anything? In order for it to have much torque, the magnetic material would have to pass close to the spiral magnet arrays that you spoke of. (At least, I would think it would have to travel near the permanent magnetic field for strength).

Jowik · October 04, 2006, 09:28:14 AM

Quote from: Liberty on October 04, 2006, 09:18:47 AM
That is interesting Jowik,

But I think from what Steorn was saying, the rotor material is not made up of a magnet. It is made of a magnetic material of some sort. Just wonder if it has any torque to pull anything? In order for it to have much torque, the magnetic material would have to pass close to the spiral magnet arrays that you spoke of. (At least, I would think it would have to travel near the permanent magnetic field for strength).

Interesting that you pointed that out.

Another thing they mentioned is that they discovered this while trying to improve wind generators. They, I think, bought one of those micro-generators for CCTV cameras and took it apart. Typical engineers... So, the best place to start is to find what model of micro generator they used and take it apart.

Liberty · October 04, 2006, 09:58:37 AM

Quote from: Jowik on October 04, 2006, 09:28:14 AM
Quote from: Liberty on October 04, 2006, 09:18:47 AM
That is interesting Jowik,

But I think from what Steorn was saying, the rotor material is not made up of a magnet. It is made of a magnetic material of some sort. Just wonder if it has any torque to pull anything? In order for it to have much torque, the magnetic material would have to pass close to the spiral magnet arrays that you spoke of. (At least, I would think it would have to travel near the permanent magnetic field for strength).

Interesting that you pointed that out.

Another thing they mentioned is that they discovered this while trying to improve wind generators. They, I think, bought one of those micro-generators for CCTV cameras and took it apart. Typical engineers... So, the best place to start is to find what model of micro generator they used and take it apart.

There is a web site that has a picture of a microgenerator and it's flux pattern.

It is: http://www.kinetron.nl

PaulLowrance · October 04, 2006, 10:11:02 AM

Thanks for the info Jowik. Wouldn't it be something if the 12 scientists confirm Steorn's claims and cannot find the source of energy?! What a day in science that will be. Not that I'm getting my hopes up mind you, lol. Been there and done that far too many times in this industry.

Liberty,
I didn't know much about microgenerators except they're small, like 10 mm. Nice animation of that fields. One thing that's interesting about magnetic materials is at such scales you don't see a nice continuous field. Rather you see the domains. The domains in some materials can be up to a few mm in size. Essentially, if you have a piece of such material it become a permanent magnet, even if it's just pure iron. I've wondered about this on occasion just because it would be interesting to see the effects of working with a single particle, say 1 mm in size, that is normally not your typical PM, but now it is just because it's small in size.

Who knows, maybe they discovered some quantum effect that becomes evident when the magnetic material is less than one domain.

Paul Lowrance