KARPEN PILE

[profitis]

Ok pomodoro I'm going to put a cork on the paranoia bottle from now on and act like a scientist is supposed to act,cool,relaxed and purely analytical,regardless of your results.I've found all of karpens documented work from 1900-1962 http://www.vasilescu-karpen.ro/ro/03inscrisuri/autor-r.html but they won't let me into the important 1948 document.they did however let me into the 1926 no.231 pp.70-72 document 'phenomenes semblant contredire la second de la thermodynamique,all about oxygen potentials there.they also surprisingly let me into the 1956 t.VI no.1 pp.29-33  document titled 'pila electrica cu hidrogen'.according to this last document karpen got a permanently stable 0.3v Pt(black)/Au under h2 in dil H2SO4. Interestingly enough that's exactly what the chinese got in H2SO4,0.3v. I can't open your file on my phone,it says 'unsupported'

[MarkE]

Thanks for your kind words MarkE.
I've worked as a chemist for 24 years but I am not an expert electrochemist.  Now let me admit that electrochemistry upto 3rd year university level is about where it stops for me.  Any more , such as some of the heavy stuff in the paper I posted is above my level of understanding. It would take a person with a phD in electrochemistry to really understand every aspect of such research.

Although a scientist I do occasionally look an non conventional theories with an open mind. The Karpen pile popped up on some random google search and I took a liking to it, simply beacuse it involves electrochemistry and I was able to gather the required gear.

I understand that there are occasionally massive egos and other obstacles in this field, but I focussed on the task at hand, nothing more.

I seem to detect that  in this Karpen field of study, on this site, there have possibly been heated discussions, but I have not at all bothered to search or read any other posts, except for this thread, so I still don't know what exactly Profitis or others has said and I dont feel like bothering to read. 

So, as you have  seen, there were some goofs, some great initial results and finally some not so great ones. 
I however am completely satisfied with myself, that I learned from the initial mistakes and the last unsuccesful experiments were indeed correct.

In electrochemistry, dioxygen is a real problem.  Any dihydrogen really needs to be passed over  very hot copper turnings or powder before being introduced in a constant pressure, constant flow system such as what I used. 

I was too afraid to use this system of purification and dioxygen from the industrial hydrogen kept getting into the flask.   Ultra high purity dihydrogen solved this problem.

My suggestion to any replicators is to use a small volume sealed system right from the beginning.  Fuse all wires to the cell material  and when filled with solution and dihydrogen, fuse  openings, do not rely on glues and other material. And please, remove all dioxygen possible, and do not anodise the cathodes for the early experiments. Keep the cathode pure metal.  Use your intellect to generate dihydrogen separately with Al/HaOH to fill a balloon and use this to dilute the small volume of air in your cell. Then seal it permanently.

Profitis gave me lots to work with and I am thankful of that as I would not have got to this stage as quickly.  Unfortunately I presently cant agree with him as far as the cells I tried are concerned.  I cant at all comment  on the oxygen karpens as I have not looked into these and don't really want to in the near future.

All I can say to investors in this technology is good luck!

Pomodoro thanks for all the work and information.  It is always possible, although often extremely unlikely that something exceptional will be discovered.  I have no problem with people checking out seemingly crazy ideas.  Ultimately carefully conducted experiments reveal the truth bit by bit.  Profitis ideas are no different.  There is always the possibility that he is onto something real.  The big problem with his ideas so far is that he has often claimed that his ideas are solidly supported by established text books, but has routinely failed to cite any specific such references, or other evidence that support his ideas.  Your experiments are a negative that adds to the weight against his ideas.  It doesn't mean that he ultimately is wrong, but he now has more to account for than ever.

[profitis]

What metals/combinations are mentioned in your document pomodoro

[pomodoro]

Can't open rar archives?  Man you need a real PC!

[profitis]

Or a phone upgrade.do you have any gold foil or wire lying around the lab pomodoro