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Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos

Started by TheoriaApophasis, July 13, 2014, 04:20:12 AM

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picowatt

Quote from: tinman on July 24, 2014, 10:41:11 PM
I will be doing many more test this weekend PW, and will include your seguestions
Also keep in mind everyone, that the magnet produces only H2, but we still have 2 spin diretions of H2 bubbles. This can only mean that it is the water that the force is acting against. It is also ovious thst an electrical current is needed to achieve spin in my setup. None the less, ATM it seems that the right hand dosnt apply to one of these spin directions

Tinman,

Sincere thanks for your time and efforts.

Do you believe it possible to make a sufficient amount of O2 at the magnet (to allow visualization) by reversing the tank polarity?

As I surmised in a previous post, it may be possible that two different actions are being observed, a homopolar torque/motoring action and an ion "wind".  As H2 is liberated, negative ions form in the area of H2 production and these negative ions would then be repelled away from that immediate area.  As those ions carry a charge, their path as they leave that immediate area would be affected by the magnetic field.

If the above is true, using the same magnet polarity as in your H2 tests, reversing tank polarity to produce O2, and hence produce positive ions, should reverse the direction of the observed vortex immediately above the magnetic pole (reverse polarity ions should travel an oppositely curved path in the same magnetic field polarity). 

I surmise that when the tape is applied to the sides of the magnet, bulk current density in the electrolyte is lowered and the homopolar action is somewhat suppressed, particularly at lower currents.  This allows, at lower currents, the ion flow just above the magnet's pole to be more readily visible and somewhat predominant (as the pole area has the highest current density at this time).  As current is increased further, bulk current in the electrolyte becomes greater, and when sufficient, allows motoring to occur via homopolar action.

Anyway, it's just a thought...

Thanks again,
PW





   


TheoriaApophasis

Quote from: picowatt on July 24, 2014, 11:19:12 PM
Tinman,

If the above is true, using the same magnet polarity as in your H2 tests, reversing tank polarity to produce O2, and hence produce positive ions, should reverse the direction of the observed vortex immediately above the magnetic pole (reverse polarity ions should travel an oppositely curved path in the same magnetic field polarity). 



one small hitch there though,  :o 

HYDRO is diamagnetic,
and   OXY is  paramagnetic


"Mother nature is a crazy bitch"- Alfred Reed
     ROFL


little humor   ;D








picowatt

Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 24, 2014, 08:50:20 PM

You didnt read it above.     1819 is END ON view of AC transmission lines......same as running down your street

BUT that is also the cross section of a magnet,  top to bottom polarization ,   with the differences mentioned above,  that being the boundary of the physical magnet and the mutual centripetal and centrifugal reciprocation.

While accurate only END ON (the AC LINES) as a model of magnetism, the incommensurable magneto-dielectric "field of dielectricity" (Maxwell) is still correct and applicable.


TA,

I am sorry, but I am still a bit uncertain if I understand what is depicted in 1819 completely.  There are two panels/images.  The left image appears to be viewing film, the right appears to be a line drawing/graph with a big red square.

There are numbered callouts/labels below the images, but no corresponding identification numbers in the images.

I am assuming that the left image is viewing film and that the right image is a graphical representation of the "end on" AC lines.  The red square overlayed on the right image, I also assume, represents a block magnet showing the dielectric plane (center line).

If the above assumptions are correct, is the viewing film a depiction of the same block magnet oriented behind the film as indicated by the red square in the right image?  I just want to make sure I am understanding what you present correctly.

It would be most helpful when presenting viewing film, etc, of magnetic fields if you would provide an image or overlay of the orientation of the magnet and its geometric shape as positioned behind the film (with polarity marked as well).

Just a suggestion,

PW

TheoriaApophasis

Quote from: picowatt on July 24, 2014, 11:41:08 PM
TA,

I am sorry, but I am still a bit uncertain if I understand what is depicted in 1819 completely.  There are two panels/images.  The left image appears to be viewing film, the right appears to be a line drawing/graph with a big red square.

There are numbered callouts/labels below the images, but no corresponding identification numbers in the images.

It would be most helpful when presenting viewing film, etc, of magnetic fields if you would provide an image or overlay of the orientation of the magnet and its geometric shape as positioned behind the film (with polarity marked as well).

Just a suggestion,

PW


NO, that left image is not viewing flim, its iron filiings around AC current lines looking END ON
Same  thing, in diagram on the right

Taken from JC Maxwells diagram of the dielectric and magnetic around AC lines looking END (of wire) ON (down the lines)



I am assuming that the left image is viewing film and that the right image is a graphical representation of the "end on" AC lines.  The red square overlayed on the right image, I also assume, represents a block magnet showing the dielectric plane (center line).<<<<<

Yes, the GREEN viewing film, however all this film does is show VELOCITY of fields, and the POINT/AXIS of polarization

They call it "magnetic viewing fim", but its real nature is showing polarization and shows really only 3 things

A: bright line of the dielectric inertial plane  (or as everyone else sees it, the axis along which the magnet is polarized)

B: shows the centrifugal edge in bright (again, velocity)

C: shows a fuzzy bright circle at the centripetal point.

I developed a liquid suspension that does the EXACT SAME THING as this film does  ;)




Until I made the connection afterwords in working on magnetism, and recognizing this geometry before, nobody had a clue how galactic jets works, what, why, etc.

Even the so-called "experts" admit theyre really clueless
about this special geometry, well its very simple, is the same as in a magnet


The only reason the galactic jets have an extremely tight centrifugal vortex
is because theyre being deflected into a very very tight centrifugal cone due to mind numbing levels (we cannot fathom the levels) of power.



picowatt

Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on July 24, 2014, 11:28:45 PM


one small hitch there though,  :o 

HYDRO is diamagnetic,
and   OXY is  paramagnetic


"Mother nature is a crazy bitch"- Alfred Reed
     ROFL


little humor   ;D

Yes, but are we actually seeing the influence of the magnetic field on the H2 itself, or are we seeing motion by proxy due to repulsion/curvature of ions?  I don't have that answer, hence the suggested test.  Possibly this has been tested before, if so, what were the results? 

If we are to believe that what we are seeing is merely the behavior of H2 rising in a magnetic field, then should it not be possible to eliminate the electrolysis part altogether and just produce/inject H2 above the magnet?  A stronger NaOh solution with a thin sheet of Al on top of the magnet should liberate H2 without the need for electrolysis.  Would it not then also produce a vortex?

Possibly only atomic H is involved in producing the vortex, as it exists briefly before recombination to H2 (unsure how long).  But even then, if atomic H is required, although seemingly a bit more difficult, it may be possible to devise an experiment wherein atomic H is injected immediately above the pole piece to look for spin/vortex in the absence of an electrical field.

Anyway, the reverse polarity test seems easy enough to try.  Whether or not it will tell us anything useful I don't know (but that is what experiments are for).

PW