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TheoriaApophasis

Quote from: Acca on February 17, 2015, 03:48:23 PM
TinselKoala  Hero Member  ??? (self appointed enforcer (s)  of  science dogma)... ;D

TOTAL NUMBER OF Posts: 11575 INSANE AMOUNT !!  ;D


That was hilarious.   

Im sure TinfoilHat Knob polishing Koalaphile is a beer swilling keyboard jockey with carpel tunnel from shinning his knob to online beasty flicks.  ;D




TheoriaApophasis

Quote from: Pirate88179 on February 17, 2015, 04:08:13 PM
"There are no atheists in foxholes."  I have no idea who said this but it makes sense.

Bill


The ORIGINAL meaning of Atheos  A+theos was not about denial of god(s)..


rather the denial of a SUBSTRATE to phenomena.



The denial of god(s) has nothing to do with WHY Atheists are vile subhuman savages.

rather the other aspect.





Questioner-------- lets agree no god

Atheist dufus------- agreed!

Questioner------ Whence the energy or power which created matter, etc etc?

Atheist dufus-------  Dunno, why?

Questioner--- How do you qualify , ultimately, energy or anything from the Foremost, as in Absolutist Original Energy, or cause.

Atheist dufus-----  We say  "God!! Grant us just THAT one miracle!"


;D

MarkE

Quote from: TheoriaApophasis on February 17, 2015, 01:46:00 PM
thats where you and most others dont get it, per se.   ;D

1, and 1, are still the ratio of 1 to Phi,  since 1 is to Phi as Phi is to 1.    Or precisely, 1 is Phi , and Phi is 1, ( likewise phi, 1/Phi, Phi^-2, ^-3, squared and cubed)


The Greek Platonists discovered this fact 2800 years ago
likely the Pythagoreans before them.
That is just flat wrong.  You have just declared that 50.5 = 1 = phi. 

Euclid's definition of phi is easily found to be: x = phi where (x+1)/x = x/1 = x. 

That is easily rearranged to:  phi + 1 = phi2, or phi2 - phi - 1 = 0. 

The roots of the latter are trivially found as:  0.5 +/- 0.5*50.5

The positive value of which is: 0.5 + 0.5*50.5.

As you declare that: "1 is Phi and Phi is 1" then from the derivation: 0.5*50.5 must equal 0.5 and 50.5 must equal 1.  Since: 50.5 <> 1, your declaration is completely false.
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The entire arena of Incommensurability is beyond the kin of absolutists  ;D

or in greek  Aoristos   (as implied the aoristos dyas, or ancient Egyptian  Ahorizoma)    A+horizon (anti-horizonal, or incommensurate)
I discovered that secret in Plato's Republic 509d-511 on the "divided line"

But thats too abstruse to discuss in this room full of literalistic materialists.  ;D ;D ;D
But its ok, thats called literalistic anti-intuitivism.


I did a very "painful" translation from the ancient Greek of all occurrences of Incommensurability passages of Plotinus.
https://archive.org/details/IndefiniteDyadPlotinusMetaphysicsMysticism



Ultimately, all literalistic minds COUNT BEANS  :o :o :o

10 beans, / 2 = 5 beans.



Ultimately, they "MISS" that its all just a BEAN, 1 bean, and 1 bean ONLY.    Many or few, divided or Undivided...

still just one goddamn BEAN    ;D
1.0 is still 1.0 to the rest of the world and it does not equal either phi ~= 1.618, or 50.5 ~= 2.236.  Good luck getting traction for ideas that conflict with well established mathematical relationships.


TheoriaApophasis

Quote from: MarkE on February 17, 2015, 07:56:32 PM
That is just flat wrong.


I said last page that you "dont get it"    I rest my case in that dept.   You're a BEAN COUNTER, and you cannot understand that "Phi is to 1, as 1 is to Phi"


You ARE that blind, but no worries, MOST people are.


that "Phi is to 1, as 1 is to Phi" , is not up for debate by ANYONE.  You or otherwise, son.   ;D


The ratio (RATIO DUMMY!!! not a NUMBER!!!!!!) of PHI AS 1, ...is that 1 = PHI


In your PEA brain, you dont get that 1 and 1 IS A RATIO SET, and also is = PHI 

just as is 1 and 5, or 1 and 13, all extrapolations of multiplicatives of the ratio of Phi, which begins with 1 and 1  (1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13.........etc etc)

Like your drunkard cousin Tinfoilhat, you confuse NUMBER, with EXTRAPOLATED RATIO, of which Phi =1 and 1 = Phi

1/f + 1 = f, 1 + f = f2, and f + f2 = f3



Greater x Lesser = 1
Greater - Lesser = 1
Greater ¸ Unity = f
Unity ¸ Lesser= f
Greater ¸ Lesser = f2


What you dont get is that the RATIO extrapolation of Phi, which is 1  (1, 1, ..............etc) is "natures fractal". 
All that which idiots see as beautiful is just a fractal extrapolation of 1 in multiplicity, which is the ratio of Phi from the first set (1 and 1), to the "last" set [there is no last, really, of course].......  (8 and 13, .....or 3 and 5 .....etc etc etc etc..)

but, thats well beyond you.  ;D ;D

Quote from: MarkE on February 17, 2015, 07:56:32 PM
Euclid's definition of phi is easily found to be: x = phi where (x+1)/x = x/1 = x. 


Im glad you admit you confuse denotation with IMPLICATION and CONNOTATION.


Youre just flat wrong.
You dont understand this simplex fact----that "Phi is to 1, as 1 is to Phi"


Stick to bean counting, you absolutely dont get it  ;D


not even a LITTLE BIT, do you comprehend.

AND, if you expect me to believe your BS over Platos and Aristotle, then youre smoking crack  ;D

Likewise, Non-Euclidean Projective Geometry ala Platonic incommensurability is WAY WAAAY beyond your kin of being discussed  ;D ;D


It is in this way, when they preserve the standard of the mean that all their works are good and beautiful.... The greater and the less are to be measured in relation, not only to one another, but also to the establishment of the standard of the mean.... [T]his other comprises that which measures them in relation to the moderate, the fitting, the opportune, the needful, and all the other standards that are situated in the mean between the extremes ----    [Statesman 284a1-e8; emphasis added].

A:B = C:D = (A+B) : (C+D) = (C+D) : (A+B+C+D)


Two things cannot be rightly put together without a third; there must be some bond of union between them. ...and the fairest bond is that which makes the most complete fusion of itself and the things which it combines, and proportion (analogia) is best adapted to effect such a union. For whenever in any three numbers, whether cube or square, there is a mean, which is to the last term what the first term is to it, and again, when the mean is to the first term as the last term is to the mean - then the mean becoming first and last, and the first and last both becoming means, they will all of them of necessity come to be the same, and having become the same with one another will be all one ------[Timaeus 31b-32a].