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[CycleGuy]

I'll not ignore being misquoted, so I'm responding to your post. Don't think this will become a regular thing. You've demonstrated that you just say whatever happens to pop into your head, regardless of whether it makes any sense. So please allow me to correct you, then continue ignoring you. 

Cycle guy said that light slows down as it travels towards gravity and you know he might be right

No, I said light under the influence of gravity changes frequency (blue-shifts as it goes down the slope of a gravity well, red-shifts at it climbs out of that gravity well).

The speed of light is related to the optical density of the medium through which the light is traveling. Even in a vacuum (such as outer space), there is a "medium" through which light must travel... the QVZPE (Quantum Vacuum Zero Point Energy) field.

The QVZPE field imparts the speed "limit" to light based upon the QVZPE field radiation pressure (keeping in mind that energy density is analogous to mass density under SR's mass-energy equivalency). Thus, the QVZPE field is what is responsible for relativistic mass.

Similarly, the QVZPE field imparts non-relativistic mass. All matter rejects QVZPE field modes longer than its radius (as proven experimentally and mathematically). This rejected QVZPE field radiation pressure is exactly equal to the mass of that matter under the mass-energy equivalency concept.

Similarly, the QVZPE field is what underpins the stability of all matter... the non-rejected QVZPE field modes impart a minimum energy level below which the electron cannot go. This sets the number of De Broglie waves in the electron's orbit at a minimum which is high enough to prevent the electronegative electron from "crashing into" the electropositive proton(s) in the nucleus.

The rejected QVZPE field modes, being "out-of-phase" with the orbital frequency of the electron, impinge upon the electron and impart energy to it as well... but the effect is to cause electron precession (ie: it makes the electron orbit more chaotic), necessitating that we use quantum superposition as a mathematical means of estimating the electron's most probable position in its orbit at any given time. If we could damp those out-of-phase QVZPE field modes, we'd find the electron orbit to be a nice, steady, uniform orbit without precession. This is what happens to some degree in a magnet... the electrons in orbit about their nuclei in the bulk of the magnet experience a damping of the "out-of-phase" QVZPE field modes, thus contributing to the coherency of the Larmor radiation the electrons throw off because their orbits are less chaotic. A second (and the largest) contributing factor to Larmor radiation coherency is the intrinsic molecular makeup of the magnet which locks the atoms in parallel (and thus aligns electron spins). This coherent Larmor radiation is what we perceive as a magnetic field outside the magnet.

You'll note we must force a magnet to become a magnet. It doesn't happen spontaneously because the internal energy of a magnet is higher than the ground energy state for that magnetic material. In so creating a magnet, what we're doing is setting up a time imparity in the magnet (because the magnetism we use in creating the magnet stresses the QVZPE field and thus affects space-time, which is locked into place because of the intrinsic molecular makeup of the magnet... so you might say a magnet is ditemporal, but definitely not dielectric as Wheeler claims), allowing the magnet to experience a simultaneous (from our perspective) time-shifted (from the magnet's perspective) energy over-abundance and energy deficit, which causes the magnet to throw off / take in virtual photons to / from the QVZPE field. Because of the weak material we have to work with, some of the magnetic domains unpin and flip to relieve the internal energy of the magnet, creating in essence two opposing "internal" magnets within each conventional magnet. This all combines to give us the centripetal and centrifugal interfaces on each pole face.

The Bloch Wall (what Wheeler incorrectly calls the "inertial dielectric plane") is merely where these two "internal" magnets mutually cancel their magnetic moments... that Bloch Wall region has canted domains away from the two predominant domain directions. Thus the Bloch Wall region has an effectively random magnetic orientation, and thus can be considered "unmagnetized". This random magnetic orientation throws off / draws in Larmor radiation to / from the QVZPE field (just as at the pole faces), which induces some of the magnetic lines of flux to arch between the Bloch Wall and pole faces. If we were to wrap the Bloch Wall region in bismuth or some other diamagnetic material to counter the canted domains there, we'd see that the Larmor radiation is thrown out via the centrifugal interface on a pole face, is subsumed into the QVZPE field (the virtual photons which make up the Larmor radiation and which thus mediate magnetism being a component of the QVZPE field), then we'd see virtual photons coming out of the QVZPE field and being pulled into the centripetal interface on that same pole face, with no lines of flux arching from one pole face to the other, nor any lines of flux arching from either pole face to the Bloch Wall region.

What accounts for "positive" and "negative" particles? As near as I can figure, it has to do with the manner in which that matter is rejecting the QVZPE field modes, and which modes it rejects. Picture a sinusoidal standing wave pattern as an analogy to a QVZPE field mode... the electron would be riding along the negative 'troughs' of the sinusoidal wave pattern, whereas the proton would be riding along the positive 'peaks' of the sinusoidal wave pattern. Thus, the energy the electron receives from those rejected QVZPE field modes impinging upon it is negative, and the energy the proton receives from those rejected QVZPE field modes impinging upon it is positive. Of course, the electron and proton being different sizes, different QVZPE field modes would be impinging on each. That's the best analogy I can come up with from my reading of QM, QED, SED, and SR. I'm still uncertain as to why matter acts in this way, but I'll uncover it eventually.

Back to the speed of light: If we were able to block QVZPE field radiation pressure (as in a Casimir cavity), we would see the speed of light increase (experimentation proves this out). Similarly, if we lower QVZPE field radiation pressure by placing two strong magnets opposite-pole to opposite-pole (N to S), the speed of light between those two magnets increases. Concomitant with this, because the QVZPE field radiation pressure causes "space", when the QVZPE field is partially blocked, we see space shrink.

That covers the underlying cause of space itself. The reason we conjugate space and time into space-time is because time is merely a way of keeping track of the growing isotropy of that QVZPE field-induced space. It is a measure of the differential in the remaining anisotropy of the QVZPE field between two frames of reference (past, present).

This is the same reason that two magnets placed like-pole to like-pole (N to N, or S to S) and dropped from a height fall slower than a control object of the same size and weight... the magnets increase QVZPE field density, which slows time and increases space in the local frame of the magnets, thus giving the perception that the magnets fall slower. Conversely, magnets opposite-pole to opposite-pole (N to S) fall faster because they decrease QVZPE field density, speed up time and decrease space in the local frame of the magnets, thus giving the perception that the magnets fall faster.

We cannot fully block QVZPE field radiation pressure (we lack the materials to do so), but if we could, the speed of light would go to infinity and there would be no "space" in the region lacking QVZPE field radiation pressure when viewed from the perspective of that "space"... although from our perspective outside of that space, the dimensions of that space would remain unchanged. Similarly, in that no-QVZPE field radiation pressure environment, matter would electron-capture decay up the Periodic Table and back into energy.

The above is part and parcel of Mr. Wheeler's fundamental misconception about space, which he says has no attributes. He's wrong. Space has one eternal and immutable attribute... it is filled with QVZPE field radiation pressure... because it is the QVZPE field.

He is correct in saying that space is "posterior" to the QVZPE field, given that it is the QVZPE field radiation pressure which creates space (and which is causing our universe to expand, given that mass is continually being converted to energy in stars, then entropying and becoming part of the QVZPE field, which increases QVZPE field radiation pressure... the universe has only two options to relieve that pressure... either concretize mass or expand space. Given that the QVZPE field is a magnetohydrodynamic fluid, a cold plasma (plasma being the most prevalent form of universal matter by volume and mass. Every star is plasma, for instance.), and given that some of the QVZPE field modes are above the plasma frequency, those field modes can travel faster than c (a well-known plasma phenomenon), which also happens to account for universal expansion at greater than c).

That is the sum total of my understanding of the universe to date. I'm attempting to learn more, but as I dive into the mathematics of it, I must learn as I go, so it's slow going.

As I said, I don't dispute Mr. Wheeler's observations. Mainly because they're not his observations at all... he's merely rehashed and (poorly) redefined Tesla theory, Russell theory, Dollard theory, Shauberger theory, Circlon theory, taken a few points from other odd hobby theories, and QM, while sprinkling in several glaring conceptual errors to add to the hilarity and confusion that is Wheelerism.

I dispute his redefining everything that QM has already defined (despite his claims that QM hasn't defined some of it, which they have... a field being one such example), bashing QM (which has been able to mathematically model our universe to an astounding degree of accuracy and predict years in advance phenomena we are only now able to empirically observe), and his attempting to paint himself as some sort of discoverer of anything when all he's really done is redefined (poorly, in some cases) what QM already knew. I further dispute his erroneous conclusions based upon his poor redefinitions of the underlying precepts of QM, said erroneous conclusions mostly coming about due to his conceptual errors and overarching unteachable hubris.

The speed of light inside the galaxy has a speed limit but the galaxy has the opposite effect no speed limit ... What this is telling me is that time and space don't exist outside the galaxy and all that we are observing out side our galaxy might be completely wrong ! There is no space time outside the galaxy hahahahahahah wowowowowowow ..... That's it !!!!!!! That's why the galaxy is no falling to bits hahahahah There is nothing for it to fall into ,,, hahahah

What a bunch of idiots we are hahahahah its all wrong all the maths is wrong and the really odd thing is what looks like it is accelerating is in fact slowing down hahahahahahahahahahahh

Time stops as you leave the edge of the galaxy and starts again when you re entre the galaxy ........ OH DEAR HAHAHAHAHAHAH THEY HAVE GOT IT ALL WRONG HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH WOW .........

If we were out side of the galaxy we would see that the galaxies are all slowing down its all this quantum madness that they cant get round because they keep thinking of space time as the same as a clock ..... In the everything of probabilities theory which is where they are now they have to let go of the clock when they leave the galaxy !

What happens when you add into all the equations a constant of noting or the ingredient of a primary ingredient and that has to be nothing everything came from nothing ...... And that is where it is all going ! There is no time or space and that is why all these mad quantum effects take place ! What we see is in fact only what is possible to see, because we are made of the very stuff that we see ... We can only see our own dimensional reference and time is the only construct that can fit into all the dimensions so we cant see time in other dimensions ...

I bet you that you can not make a quantum leap if you are outside a galaxy ! There is no quantum mechanics out side a galaxy and now we balance relativity with quantum mechanics Einstein is right if he lived outside a galaxy ..... All the observations would be different ! What we are looking for as dark energy is in fact only time ! There is no dark energy needed ! Its all a balancing act of nothing and everything and we never include nothing as an equal to everything ............

We must always include nothing as an equal to everything or quantum mechanics would not work ! The particles are not teleporting as there is no time or space out side the atoms they come from !!! Its the same thing as if we stand out side the galaxy ... That's why I know why I am right .............. hahahahah

This resolves everything and when we leave our body there is no time or space to worry about hahahaha do you see my point ??

And gravity is the opposite of inflation its not real, it has nothing to hold on to hahahahahahahah There is no gravity Only mass from one galaxy that can affect mass from another galaxy ! We just need to make a space craft that works in the same way ! There is no fabric between galaxies .. But it still does not explain how a ghost with no energy can levitate a stone or a table or is it because it has no energy ? hahahahah how can we make a zero energy field ?   

This is a perfect example of you just saying whatever happens to pop into your head, regardless of whether it makes any sense.

[TinselKoala]

Here you are right, I lost years ago the sense of humour. That because I laughed enough in my youth, until I discovered that everything around us is a big lie, as are these images with visible stars from space. Another lie, even if in reality is only a half of lie. For me and other with common sense of truth is a very dangerous lie, more dangerous than a direct lie. Neil Armstrong said  clearly that space is completely black in his bbc interview from 1970, but there will be plenty of "smart" people to counter and argue against.

So tell me straight out. Do you believe that the Hubble Space Telescope images of stars, galaxies and other astronomical objects like planetary nebulae are faked? Do you believe that the imagery of the Sun coming down from the Solar Dynamic Observatory and the STEREO satellites are faked?

[conradelektro]

Do you believe that the Hubble Space Telescope images of stars, galaxies and other astronomical objects like planetary nebulae are faked? Do you believe that the imagery of the Sun coming down from the Solar Dynamic Observatory and the STEREO satellites are faked?

I think I understand your argument and what you want to tell people who deceive themselves because they have no idea about what is already known.

But let's be a bit philosophical (and I do not want to support crazy people who make insupportable claims, like your proverbial flying ponies). I want to remind you of the endless debate (in philosophy) of "reality", see for example

http://www.peterrussell.com/Reality/RHTML/R2.php

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsism

http://www.livescience.com/38234-is-reality-real-or-not.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality

It becomes very mind boggling to discuss "reality".

So, are the images from the Hubble Space Telescope "real"? At least they are "consistent", which means that you will see about the same if you take the image a bit later. The universe as seen by the Hubble Space Telescope is not shifting in a disturbing way, like you see stars today and green snakes tomorrow and only spirals yesterday.

I think, the only thing to expect from science or any "way of looking around you" is a certain consistency. This means mostly that things make sense to you, that you can derive meaningful actions which benefit you. But that is about all. You will never know if it is an "illusion" or "reality".

But may be it does not matter whether it is an illusion or not. You could not do anything about it.

You are right to demand "consistency" from people who make strange claims and who see lies everywhere, but "reality" is too much to demand and to claim. Inconsistent ideas are useless, because no meaningful actions can be derived. Unreal things could be consistent and useful.

Greetings, Conrad

[TinselKoala]

I didn't ask whether the images are "real", I asked whether sadang, (or anyone else who wants to chime in) believes that they are faked.

You can put a lot of philosophical words in between "reality" and the display on your computer screen of a false-color, contrast-enhanced image taken from the CCD sensors of a telescope camera and radioed to receivers on Earth to be decoded from a bitstream consisting only of high and low electrical values.  That isn't really the issue here.

People are making the claim that stars, the Sun, and so on cannot be seen from space. There is considerable evidence that they _can_ indeed be seen from space. I am asking if those people really actually believe that this evidence is faked.

[sadang]

Yes they are faked by our technology and our way of interpreting their manifestation, or at least they are misleading the people - through their over usage - to think stars look as they are presented on TV. And things are not that at all. If you don't believe me ask Neil.

However Neil, Kely, Peter, Tom and others including me here, just say the stars can not be seen in the outer space by human eyes not by its technological extensions.

But would be great if we can come back with discussion to Ken's magnetism and his dielectric inertial plane. This is his topic and should respect its work, regardless we agree or not with it.