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Overunity Machines Forum



Spring Coupling

Started by vineet_kiran, July 23, 2014, 12:59:24 AM

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MarkE

1. EIN_MOTOR  > EOUT_MOTOR

2. EIN_SPRING = EOUT_MOTOR

ergo

3. EIN_MOTOR > EIN_SPRING



4. EIN_SPRING > EOUT_SPRING

ergo

5. EIN_MOTOR > EOUT_SPRING



6. EIN_GENERATOR = EOUT_SPRING

ergo

7. EIN_SPRING > EIN_GENERATOR, and

ergo

8. EIN_MOTOR > EIN_GENERATOR



9. EIN_GENERATOR > EOUT_GENERATOR 

ergo

10. EIN_SPRING > EOUT_GENERATOR, and

ergo

11. EIN_MOTOR > EOUT_GENERATOR.

QED.

vineet_kiran

Pin at  motor  =  2πNT1   at smaller flange
Pin   at  generator  =  2πNT2   at  bigger  flange
T2  is  greater than  T1
Hence     Pin at generator  is  greater  than   Pin   at  the  motor
Hence  Pout from  generator  is greater  than Pin  at  motor.
Since  both flanges are rotating at same speed  energy is not lost in time.

Please  understand  the  concept.

MarkE

Quote from: vineet_kiran on July 24, 2014, 09:23:29 PM
Pin at  motor  =  2πNT1   at smaller flange
Pin   at  generator  =  2πNT2   at  bigger  flange
T2  is  greater than  T1
Hence     Pin at generator  is  greater  than   Pin   at  the  motor
Hence  Pout from  generator  is greater  than Pin  at  motor.
Since  both flanges are rotating at same speed  energy is not lost in time.

Please  understand  the  concept.

The concept does not work.  Springs don't make free energy.  The only energy that you can get at the output of a spring is energy that you transfer directly through it plus energy that the spring releases as it relaxes or less the energy that goes into the spring as it is tensed.  In a dynamic situation where the spring tenses and relaxes: the average energy added and subtracted by those two actions average to zero.  That means that your equations are wrong as the proof in my previous post showed, and your concept does not work.  The spring like any other coupling simply transfers the torque less losses between the two flange plates.  Contrary to your claims:  TGENERATOR is on average always less  than TMOTOR.  The average rotational velocities are the same.  PAVERAGE GENERATOR IN < PAVERAGE MOTOR OUT.

ARMCORTEX

Bobby Amarasingham uses spring coupling on many of his new devices.

With an eccentric flywheel there is secondary oscillation.

Simulation does indeed show energy increase, but you need to translate this motion to a shaft, somehow, and it must be safe.

Never seen a video, in reality. Interresting concept of study.


MarkE

Quote from: ARMCORTEX on July 24, 2014, 09:55:42 PM
Bobby Amarasingham uses spring coupling on many of his new devices.

With an eccentric flywheel there is secondary oscillation.

Simulation does indeed show energy increase, but you need to translate this motion to a shaft, somehow, and it must be safe.

Never seen a video, in reality. Interresting concept of study.
To the best of my knowledge, Bobby Amarasingham has never been able to establish excess energy output versus input in any of his machines.  Mechanical oscillations move energy back and forth between kinetic energy maxima in moving mass and potential energy maxima in tensed springs.  Neither tensed spring nor moving mass have ever been shown to exhibit excess energy alone or in combination.