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Energy from waste heat or the environment

Started by Dingus Mungus, September 10, 2006, 03:31:27 PM

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Dingus Mungus

Quote from: hartiberlin on September 14, 2006, 09:03:06 AM

Hi,
many thanks for the nice animation.
Should this a second law Carnot violation device,
cause it has higher than Carnot efficiency ?

Where is a calculation to it or the theory behind it ?
Many thanks.
Please just post the concept here in the forum.
Regards, Stefan.

While this theory is derived from Carnots, he believed only the heat pool determined a steam engines efficiency and the fluid was inconciquential. Today we have several fluids with boiling points between 21 and 46 degrees celcius (70F-115F) that are denser then distilled water and have greater expansion rates.

I do not yet know if this device can be overunity, but I do believe this device can provide better efficiency when coupled to a combustion engine by using the waste heat of the engine exhaust to vaporize the liquid thus providing mechanical power. A four stroke hydrocarbon engine is only 30% efficient due to friction and conversion of energy to heat. This device could be coupled to an engine in a 10:1 ratio so that it provides a tenth of the friction until the system obtains a proper temperature. Once the system is heated each steam cycle equates to ten revolutions on the host engine. Modern steam engines average about 600 rmp's, but an engine such as this has never been built (to my knowlege). I wonder if anyone has ever patented a closed loop steam engine? I'm trying to find some help here in researching information on the fluid/vapor dynamics of the to chemicals I listed in the animation.

As far as the mechanical function of the device goes:


*note chemicals used and boiling points







If you have anymore questions I would be glad to try to answer them. I hope to hear what you think of this idea.

Dingus Mungus

Here is a link showing the the pressure/temperature chart for CFC-12:
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/freon-d_972.html

Here is a link showing the the pressure/temperature chart for CFC-22:
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/r22-properties-d_365.html

Here is a link showing the the pressure/temperature chart for H2O:
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/boiling-point-water-d_926.html

I'm having trouble finding out how they got these numbers. Does anyone here know how I could calculate this information for the chemicals I listed???


pese

@Dingus


try it with propan.

fill 2.2 atm in!

will work

pese
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Chlorethan (Ethylchlorid), C2H5Cl

Vereisungsmittel in der Medizin zur lokalen Bet?ubung (durch niedrige Siedetemperatur von +12 ?C sofortige Verdampfung ? Unterk?hlung der Haut ? Schmerzunempfindlichkeit




found that  +12 degrees Celsius  as boilintemerature

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Quote from: pese on September 27, 2006, 07:50:32 AM
Chlorethan (Ethylchlorid), C2H5Cl

Vereisungsmittel in der Medizin zur lokalen Bet?ubung (durch niedrige Siedetemperatur von +12 ?C sofortige Verdampfung ? Unterk?hlung der Haut ? Schmerzunempfindlichkeit

found that  +12 degrees Celsius  as boilintemerature

A great example!
vielen Dank!