Magnet Myths and Misconceptions

[tinman]

And when you have had a go at answering the first question-dose this second diagram speak true?-give an accurate description as to all energies out.

[allcanadian]

@Mark

There has been lots of motion but no forward movement that I have seen in
free energy.  Perhaps you could point to actual progress over any time frame
that you like.

I see a great deal of progress in this field and it's interesting to consider the big picture.
I think you believe free energy cannot be real because you have no proof which relates to personal observations. On the other hand you also have no proof Electrons or Protons exist because you have never observed them and yet you may believe in them without question. Which leaves us in an awkward position because many of the objections to the concept of free energy relate to modern physics which is generally based on the absence of disproof. That is we can believe something is true through observation which may be true or it may be false because the premise is false or we may also believe something is true but is unobservable and based on an absence of disproof. You see in physics the more fantastic the claim ie. virtual particles, the less likely someone will find an objection to the claim based on an observation.

For instance you may observe that a piece of iron is attracted to a magnet and believe this must be true even though fundamentally the premise is completely false. The magnet has a field which induces an opposite field in the iron, Magnetic Induction, the two fields couple which produces a force between them causing the fields to move towards one another. Thus iron is not attracted to a magnet, the magnet induces a field in the iron and the two fields interact causing a force between the fields which is observed as attraction however the observation of attraction is fundamentally false. The Iron is not attracted to anything it is a field related phenomena.

Now if I took a rubber band and stretched it should I then believe my left and right hand are attracted to one another?. Well no that is quite ridiculous and yet this is exactly what most would seem to believe in regards to magnets and iron. Einstein had some insight into the nature of this problem and presumed two forces pulling inward to a center are indistinguishable from two external forces pushing inward to a center. As such an observation may appear to be true on the surface but based on a premise which is false leading once again to the concept of proof not being real proof of anything in a universal sense but an absence of disproof.

I think the concept of free energy is a quagmire of semantics and false beliefs by most everyone involved on both sides of the debate. Both sides debate the issue while standing on a foundation of quicksand, all proclaiming they are on firm ground as they slowly sink into the reality they have created for themselves. In any case the one thing which seems obvious to me is that our history has proven we will always learn new things which will disprove our past beliefs. There is no static only dynamic and everything must change regardless of what we may believe.

AC

[poynt99]

Brad,

Power is not energy.

The missing information required is; how long was the 60W source ON to create the quantity of H and O2 that you depict?

[poynt99]

Even if the science does not explain why two wires with current attract each other,

Science does explain it, but one may have to dig deeper than a Google search.

[tinman]

Brad,

Power is not energy.

The missing information required is; how long was the 60W source ON to create the quantity of H and O2 that you depict?

There is no missing information poynt.The question is-will the output energy of the HHO cell be equal to the P/in. So if we add up both the energy stored in the two gases,and the heat both disipated and stored in the cell,will this be equal to the P/in.